october 16th is great and i think getting there early enough wont be a problem. theres enough stuff to do around the area to keep us entertained a few hours before, food, pint, arcades, deep see aquarium thing, some nice photo opertunities. theres also a museum on the history of photography which i know some people will be interested in. shuts at 5pm tho but i reckon if there is enough going, i can have a word with them to open abit later.