Hello Lads

Im thinking about buying a ST and have a few questions that existing owners will be best answering.

In real terms what can of mpg can i expect based on local travel and the odd motorway?

Will adding a super chip give me more mpg?

Im also thinking about buying a c2 code, colt czc or swift sport (yes i know could be classed as lass's cars) they all offer similar perfomance on paper but cost less to buy and own.
I like the st best out of all those models but the cost thing is still on my mind.

A friend seems to think in real life performance the vts is more than a match for the st and in some cases can be faster.

Is he talking bollocks?

If anyone can help me i would appreciate it cheers

I get 28mpg out of mine around town and about 33mpg on the motorway. Its not the best over long distance due to the close gear ratios, but they make it more funa round town.

The ST should edge out the VTS as well by all accounts!

Average mpg can vary from about 25mpg (if you driving with a heavy foot) up to 35/40 if you're careful. It can be a big fuel consumption, just depends on the driver and miles you put in a day.

As for the ST vs the VTS, if you are on about a saxo or C2 vts, then the st is faster than both. Top gear raced the C2 VTS against the ST round their track and the ST won with better points and my mate has a standard saxo VTS and i beat her everytime anymore questions?

cheers for the info lads.

Sounds good.

But what about adding a superchip? will i gane more mpg?
also any perfomance gain worth noting?

I have test driven a Colt CZT (the 1.5 turbo) on 2 occasions in fact, it was a nice enough car, looked good if you looked at if from the front but i think it has nothing on the ST except the 0-60 being 0.8 secs quicker from the book figures.

If you check youtube they tried the CZT and the ST against one another and the ST beat that too in a race on the track.

Depends what you want really, if you are concerned regarding the price difference, is it worth holding out for an ST?

I also get approx 29 mpg's thats with 1000 on the clock on a 57 plate and i travel about a 16 mile round trip, half motorway, half normal roads.

hello welcome to the site! the colt CZT is faster than the ST but handling not that good and cheap quality built! as for the C2 VTS like Bradder say on top gear they race against the ST and the ST was faster than the ST!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOgBQvFahdA here the vid to prove it! as for the Swift cheaper than the ST and well equip as well handle well as also but is a bit slower than the ST on straight line plus due to short gear ratio the swift is even worse than the ST on motorway! on motorway the ST doesn't use much petrol around 30MPG!as for superchip or similar would go for dreamscience can add up to 10 BHP! after u can also add an exhaust system, induction kit and camsharf! that should gain good power!

OK cheers for that, think i will give the chip a miss.

Im just after the vanilla version, no frills...getting old you see.
Only think i would like is maybe black with white stipes as i support the newcastle.

ESP?
Is it worth it? and can you turn it off?

Chipping the ST won't give you much in the way of performance: ~10bhp and ~12-15Nm torque, which frankly isn't much vrooooom for the £350+ you'd be spending. You'd be better off getting a physical engine mod of some kind for similar money - exhaust systems are popular, decat if you don't mind the risk of being pulled over and/or hassle of trying to find a friendly MOT garage

Though like Bradders said, the mpg will suffer as soon as you start modding - that's life!

As for ESP, I never had it on my ST and didn't have any complaints about the handling. Only managed to end up pointing at a lamppost once... (my fault!)

I havent seen many black cars with white stripes as its not a personal favourite of mine which would make yours kind of unique in a way as there isnt many and as your a newcastle fan, why not

The dreamscience chip, which is recommened if you want to chip your car, will not just add 10bhp straight off, you need it to be figured properly and other mods to produce that kind of power. I would not recommend having one unless you have 170/180bhp for the chip to work with as the engine is designed fine as it is with the standard ECU it comes with.

As for ESP, i believe they charge extra for this, but i would say from experience its worth having. Its a safety feature which is designed to get you out of ackward situations when needed and they wouldn't be able to sell it if it didnt work so if you have extra cash to spend, get it and good luck

got one on my car and u can turn it off completely if u want! and wont turn on again like some cars do when ur braking too hard or do wheelspin! in my view its a good option can always help in a bad situation!

OK thanks for all the info so far just a couple more questions i promise.

Narrowed my selection down to three ST's

One im looking at has some extras, can anyone explain what they are please.

as follows
Reflex Pack?
B/Col Pwr/Fold Mirror?
Bluetooth Hands Free (know what that is)
Privacy Glass ? which area of glass?
Interior Styling Pk. ?

cheers

Npz mate, keep asking away.

the reflex pack offers: Side thorax airbags, side air-curtain airbags and centre rear head restraint - this allows more safety to your car

the power fold door mirrors are useful because everytime you turn your engine off (or there maybe a button) your mirrors close in, which means then less likely to be vandalised if your in a car park or parked on a road

the bluetooth handsfree is a good device to have if you dont have one already. The person on the phone speaks through the speaker and your microphone is fixed someine in your car

the privacy glass is 80% tint on your back 3 windows, not the fronts

the interior styling pack: Colour co-ordinated mats and silver dashboard bezel
- you can buy a good set of mats from teamtorquesteer with ST ingraved into the mat that are nice for the similar price but i would say only get this extra if your bored with too much money lol

hope this helps, remember its more opinion over matter but good luck