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#116287 - 05/02/08 03:34 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: STMAN]
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It seems to be overstyled, like the Honda Civil and the Corsa. Looks a million dollars for six months then looks dated.

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#116288 - 05/02/08 07:00 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: Lplus]
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Tbh I never really liked the current Civic from the start, especially the way the spoiler looks like it's randomly stuck on where it is.
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#116289 - 05/02/08 07:07 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: ChrisCumbria]
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Tbh I never really liked the current Civic from the start, especially the way the spoiler looks like it's randomly stuck on where it is.



Me too...

I don't like the basic corsa... only the VXR... but that will stay popular for years to come... just like most top end sporty models... they always stay looking nice imo.
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#116290 - 05/02/08 07:55 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: Scotty]
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the VXR corsa does look well different from normal corsa and like u say it stay popular for years to come as people who can't afford it new will buy it second hand like most of hothatch or sport car
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#116291 - 05/02/08 08:55 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: babyboom]
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uumm not sure on the new shape yet. I tend to keep my cars and get my moneys worth, had my last one an RS1800 for about 7 years, before that a mint diamond white XR2 for 10 years. I certainly fancy the 165bhp tuning package or maybe order another with the full 185bhp and then that would turn the ST into the car I have always wanted. Dislikes, not enough length in boot when seats down (I put my bike in it) the dash could be better but (different from the rest of range) but with silver bezzle looks fine and neat, I don't like the headlamp levelling switch being out of eyeshot and easy touch neither - bonkers. It's a tricky one this-however a current ST with the tuning package could become rare-ish and hold some value-a bit like my RS1800 of which only 900 and something were ever made. (For those of you who don't know this car, it was a tuned version of the XR2i a bit like what they are doing again now.
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#116292 - 05/02/08 08:59 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: YellowBadge]
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Just for everyone else to see here's a pic of the 1800:

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#116293 - 05/02/08 09:36 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: ChrisCumbria]
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yep the sexy RS1800, my mate at college had one. very quick car at the time! some one trashed his by running over the bonnet and roof.
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#116294 - 05/02/08 09:40 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: STrick]
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used to love them! wanted one long time ago but don't think it was available in France think there only was the fiesta RS turbo is there a difference between those two?
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#116295 - 05/02/08 10:16 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: babyboom]
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used to love them! wanted one long time ago but don't think it was available in France think there only was the fiesta RS turbo is there a difference between those two?



The Rs Turbo was a 1.6 Turbo and the 1800 was a 1.8 N/A

The Turbo is always the more popular car due to the availability of improving its performance easier and also it has the bonnet vents etc.

The 1800 is a rare car now... don't see many of them at shows now.
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#116296 - 05/02/08 10:20 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: Scotty]
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used to love them! wanted one long time ago but don't think it was available in France think there only was the fiesta RS turbo is there a difference between those two?



The Rs Turbo was a 1.6 Turbo and the 1800 was a 1.8 N/A

The Turbo is always the more popular car due to the availability of improving its performance easier and also it has the bonnet vents etc.

The 1800 is a rare car now... don't see many of them at shows now.


but they both have about the same power right?
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#116297 - 05/02/08 11:19 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: babyboom]
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used to love them! wanted one long time ago but don't think it was available in France think there only was the fiesta RS turbo is there a difference between those two?



The Rs Turbo was a 1.6 Turbo and the 1800 was a 1.8 N/A

The Turbo is always the more popular car due to the availability of improving its performance easier and also it has the bonnet vents etc.

The 1800 is a rare car now... don't see many of them at shows now.


but they both have about the same power right?



Yup yup thats right... there is like 0.1s econd difference 0-60 with them. I actually think the turbo was quicker if i remember correctly.
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#116298 - 05/02/08 11:23 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: Scotty]
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Yes you're right:

1990 Fiesta Mk3 RS Turbo
Body 3 or 5 door, 920kg
Engine 1598cc Turbocharged, 131bhp, 136lb/ft
Performance Max Speed: 127mph, 0-60: 8.2s

1992 Fiesta Mk3 RS1800
Body 3 or 5 door, 995kg
Engine 1796cc, 129bhp, 120lb/ft
Performance Max Speed: 125mph, 0-60: 8.5s
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#116299 - 05/02/08 11:25 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: ChrisCumbria]
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It's crazy that the second came out 2 years later, had less power and was slower... why?
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#116300 - 05/02/08 11:30 PM Re: Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: Scotty]
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You've got to remember that that was the time when insurance groups started to change - the higher groups were coming in and insurers were running scared of insuring hot hatches. That will have been why Ford will have made it a bit less powerful to keep it more insurable. It was for the same reasons that around this time the XR2i was dropped and replaced with the more "insurance frendly" Si.
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#116301 - 06/02/08 12:37 AM Who is going to buy the new ST in 2009? [Re: ChrisCumbria]
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I wonder how the power increase in the new ST (due in 2009) is going to affect the popularity (and, indeed - sales) of the car (with younger drivers)? In terms of insurance I'm not worried because by the time it comes out I'll be over 26 years old and will have been driving for a long time, but it seems to me that the current ST (while powerful for its size and by no means cheap) is aimed more at a younger market.

The new ST is kind of blurring more into the upmarket performance arena and will probably no longer be branded as a car for "yoofs". It looks like a more maturely styled car than the current ST.


Edited by arapoda (06/02/08 12:49 AM)
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