Totally agree with you Hallmark, I own an ST but have driven both...and well the GTTDi is awsome in terms of the way it pushes u back into your seat, something the ST never does which is a shame. But as 1. it has less torque, and 2. it doesnt have a turbo it isnt really to be expected of the ST. It does behave more like a cruiser on the motorways; goes bloody fast pretty quickly but power is delivered pretty seemlessly.

However in terms of handling when u have a blast down some B-roads the Golf is hopeless - really heavy and wallowy and from what i remember the steering very vague. In contrast the ST is awsome well poised and balanced and i reckon could out handle most cars on the road! Keeps a smile on my face anyways!

I think as an Austrian I´m really qualified to place my input here! (Austria and Gemany have the highest Diesel percentage in the world!)

So: You accelerate with performance (BHP)! Not with torque!!! Only the VW-Audi lobby still postulates the contradictionary roumors.
Not knowing the figures I´d bet my ass that Dunkyboy's GTI had NO chance against a ST. (not even mentioning the handling! The Golf-V is the first Golf which can be seriously quick in corners. The ones prior to the V had a ridiculous handling)
Torque is just a figure. Knowing both, BHP and NM, sure it gives an idea of the engine´s behavior, but that´s it.
Nice example: Seat Altea:
140 Diesel BHP, 320 NM takes 9,9 sec till 60 MPH
150 Petrol BHP, 200 NM takes 9,6 sec till 60 MPH
any questions?? Just 7% more BHP, but about 50% less NM though 0,3 sec (which is a lot!) faster.

Ok, so coming back to GTI vs.ST - both have the same BHP. The GTI´s much more of NM could compensate the more of weight, so maybe it would be an open match. But when handling comes into play... :-)


Regards!
reach

Well i have had mine a month and tbh it dont have the wow factor as some of my previous car's but that's missing the point my st is one of the most comfy car's i have owned and it's lowered by 40mm you dont even notice also it's got stage 1 mountune kit so is running 165bhp but my little 1.6 vts @ 135 bhp would of trounced my st but still i preferr my st just for the build quality.

WOW

Thread resurection...........!! (21-6-05)

I was gonna say, I've not seen this post before D

Anyway, C2 VTS beat a ?? Nah...

i think not...........

my mate has the c2 vts and it is quick on acceleration but when i hit second gear, he has no chance

What is in a VTS 1.6 16v and the R is 8v??????

yeah

exactly the same engine

VTR 1.6 8V (100BHP)
VTS 1.6 16V (120BHP

LooooooooooooL