Dave the steering is an issue, it's done via servos and definitely loses a little something but I must admit I found it very predictable when it stepped out and the engine actually impressed me in the way it pulled from 40mph in 6th. Still, if the 182 can be bought new for 11k I must agree that I can't possibly see the CTR being worth the 5K extra, no way, even considering my dislike of Citroens/Renaults. (thanks Taff ).

I see on the website that Honda civics are coming in so I don’t know if they'd be offering similar discounts for the ctr???

I'm not a sales man for them, honest. It's just the cheapest place I know of to buy a brand new 182.

CTR's weigh in at 17k new and the 15.6k is discounted and with air-con - there's no chance that they're going to get even close to the price of the Clio. The CTR is also sold out in most places until next year. This is certainly the case from any main Honda dealer.

LMFAO @ The vote results.

50:50 except for one person, now who might that be...?