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#222319 - 09/07/10 07:52 AM Mount/Puma/Jsport
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Hello all,

I have been a bit of a lurker on these boards for a while now, I got my ST from near new (3500 on the clock) and had it for just under two years. I bought the car on finance and have 3 years and 4 months to go on it and I intend to own the car for the finance period.

I recently noticed I was on emergency tax code for my job and am about to receive 3.5k in tax rebate.

I basically have about 2.5k to spend on my ST which is a 57 plate on 60000 miles

I have a number of questions which I would like some input on from you guys, I was looking at 3 options generally based on how close they are and a few other factors, (I move from Manchester to Derby to Berkshire to Guildford all the time, so north, mid and south all doable)

1: Mountune 185 vs Pumaspeed 190 vs buying bits and remap from JamSport. From what I gather Mountune have the power guarantee and are good, Puma have the fastest option and are generally good, JamSport I know little about, any advice?

2: Is my car too old to have this done (60000 miles)

3: Anyone with the Pumaspeed 190 verify its output (RR)

Any help would be appreciated... leaning toward Puma/Mountune atm for ease as they have performance packages listed on site.

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#222320 - 09/07/10 08:44 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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Get Mountuned to 185 then that way you can stop the tuning bug and enjoy it!


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#222321 - 09/07/10 08:53 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Kaxe]
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I think the problem with the Pumaspeed kit is that sometimes it reaches what it says at 190hp but not always. It seems to vary depending on your engine. As for the mountune kit, it comes with a 12month warranty, its regonised by some insurance companies and is designed to get the best power out of your ST engine without any problems. I have not heard one complaint on any ST forum about it so i would recommend it myself personally as its a great piece of kit.

As for jamsport, they are a fantastic company with a good reputation, you know if you buy anything from them it will be of good quality!

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#222322 - 09/07/10 02:21 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Bradders]
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easy one this, Mountune for cast iron performance or if you wish a little more power then get Jamsport to put a kit together and custom map/SC.
I need day to day reliabilty so JS is too far away from me to keep going back with any niggles that may arise.
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#222323 - 09/07/10 02:30 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: YellowBadge]
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i've been thinking of mountuning mine when the finance runs but jamsport is only down the road from me really so its hard to know what to do but i think i'd get the 185 kit when i do lol. I like the sound of the exhaust as well
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#222324 - 09/07/10 02:49 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: gary4vicky]
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Looking like it will be the Mountune when the money comes through, will probably get it done in Essex. My only concern is my car has done too many miles and wouldnt need the extra stress of the kit.
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#222325 - 09/07/10 04:56 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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My only concern is my car has done too many miles and wouldnt need the extra stress of the kit.




makes no difference. In fact with the extra torque there is less need to rev the car and it will be breathing better so again good for the engine, if your a little worried then get the 165 kit whereas the 185 does require the revs to be up most of the time.
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#222326 - 09/07/10 04:59 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: gary4vicky]
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but jamsport is only down the road from me




If that were me I would be booked in for a Squeek
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#222327 - 09/07/10 07:50 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: YellowBadge]
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just need the funds and to wait 4 years for the finance unfortunately lol. A supercharger would be awesome tho
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#222328 - 10/07/10 09:24 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: gary4vicky]
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just need the funds and to wait 4 years for the finance unfortunately lol. A supercharger would be awesome tho




DO THE SUPERCHARGER MATE! You live in Northampton you must Let JS show/take you out in one and you will fall in love

Shottaz definitely Mountune

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#222329 - 10/07/10 04:49 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Kaxe]
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think i'll have to e-mail them and ask . I'd be happy with around 200bhp from a stage 1 kit. Can they tell you the 0-60 figures before you get it fitted or do you have to wait till they've put one on your car?
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#222330 - 12/07/10 08:36 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: gary4vicky]
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They could give you a rough figure I'm sure But all cars are different!

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#222331 - 13/07/10 09:30 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Kaxe]
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Think i'm going to go for the Mountune 185 and just get the Ford approved Eibachs for a slight drop. The quicker 0-100 appeals to me much more than the quicker 0-60 too so i'll skip the 165 and go straight for the 185.

Cheers guys,

Andy, how many people have you reccomended supercharging too.. lol. Cars looking good btw, never see you driving around Newbury though.
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#222332 - 13/07/10 12:07 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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cool let us know how it goes when you get it done
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#222333 - 13/07/10 03:29 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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Think i'm going to go for the Mountune 185 and just get the Ford approved Eibachs for a slight drop. The quicker 0-100 appeals to me much more than the quicker 0-60 too so i'll skip the 165 and go straight for the 185.

Cheers guys,

Andy, how many people have you reccomended supercharging too.. lol. Cars looking good btw, never see you driving around Newbury though.



Yeah do Mountune! it will suit you better mate!
LOL yeahhhh I do recommend Supercharging to anyone near Northampton haha got to be done!
I don't drive around town much mate. I'm either driving to and from work or driving to Basingstoke/ Reading. I am taking it for a bez to JamSport and back this weekend


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#222334 - 13/07/10 07:37 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Kaxe]
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yeah just wish i didnt have to wait for so long to pay my finance off but it least it gives me along time to save lol
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#222335 - 14/07/10 08:21 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: gary4vicky]
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Do you guys think this is accurate... if so OMGST1854me

http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?pid=mph100
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#222336 - 14/07/10 08:29 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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#222337 - 14/07/10 08:54 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ROB IS THE STIG]
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Wow...
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#222338 - 14/07/10 03:46 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Alex_H]
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niiice

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#222339 - 14/07/10 07:52 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Kaxe]
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thats actually a mk3 tho right?
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#222340 - 20/07/10 08:29 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Alex_H]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmP_0IAsyM4&feature=related

If this is the Pumaspeed 182 kit would the 190 kit not be quite a bit quicker than the MT185?

... thoughts?
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#222341 - 20/07/10 09:29 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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PS claim 6.8 so yes by .3secs, I don't think 5bhp would give this though, test day for that must have been spot on, wind, perfect take off and gear changes, low fuel tank too. The Youtube race is a bit fishy if there is only 5bhp between them both epsecially when the PS car had an extra passenger and still kept ahead of the MT car, quite possible to put that down to the start and gear changes too, how much fuel were the cars carrying, was the PS a DecCat version----we will never know.
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#222342 - 21/07/10 07:58 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: YellowBadge]
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Cheers Steve. I suppose there are so many factors affecting this 'test' that I shouldn't be making decisions based on it.
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#222343 - 22/07/10 03:07 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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Update if anyone is interested...

MT have quoted me £1899 all done. Greenlight have quoted £739 for the whole thing (currently paying £708 no mods), going to call Dave from MT tommorow to arrange a date. Sacked off the idea of coilovers (I drive a lot and work in construction so going for the 4rd approved Eibachs)

I looked at JamSport and the price of the bits alone came to £1800, fair play, sound like a quality group of lads/ladies but thinking of better resale with Mountune. Even contemplated supercharging thanks to Kaxe but I drive my car too much for that and TBH I'm saving for a deposit on a house.

Thoughts and comments?

PS: Would it be cheeky to ask them to fit the Eibach's for free?
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#222344 - 22/07/10 03:27 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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haha I tell everyone to Supercharge but I even agree with you matey you do a lot of motorway driving so mountune will be better on the fuel but supercharging will be better for beating the BMW M3's on the motorway hehe


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#222345 - 22/07/10 08:26 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: Kaxe]
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notice the Pumaspeed fited price is about same as mountune, so much for MT being so called expensive .

Nice one, the MT kits do drive nicely, so smooth, the 185 will be a bit lumpy on start up and you will have to catch the revs a bit more when slowing and starting but soon get used to that.
If you do a lot of driving I would say no to Eibachs only on the basis that our crap roads will result in lots of hard "bangs", leave it and get Bilstein, just ask Andrew above about them.
Great, book it in and hurry up, we can't wait.

Had a wee bit of a play with a new Leon FR last night on motorway, uumm it had a lot of pull, smart looking car, bright yellow just had to show him my yellow badge on back
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#222346 - 23/07/10 08:11 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: YellowBadge]
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#222347 - 23/07/10 08:11 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: YellowBadge]
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I thought about the trade-offs and although I cant appreciate the extent of them without actually driving the thing, I still think it won't really bother me, I change gears like I have OCD anyway. My only concern is not being able to put it in 5th at 40.

I drive bare mileage and to save money I eco drive at 50-60mph quite a lot on this single lane carriageway, sometimes even do 70mph on motorways as opposed to 80-90mph on private land. I read somewhere it may even increase economy at points but I'm not inclined to believe it!
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#222348 - 23/07/10 08:16 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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When I say 5th at 40mph I don't mean to pull away, I just mean to roll around... will be looking forward to popping it in 2nd anyway should a hill appear.
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#222349 - 23/07/10 08:25 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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RE: the Eibach's, spoke to a mate of mine who is a Clio 182 cup driver and he informed me that allthough the springs can get crashy, with coilovers I will feel every bump in the road.

Considering at work I have to drive over stuff (construction) I can't really be bothered with the bumpiness. Also road bumps, if I have to tell my project manager I can't go somewhere due to my car I will feel like an idiot.

Apparently with Eibachs i'll be ok.
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#222350 - 23/07/10 10:42 AM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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Yeah I had the same worries mate as lowering my car was one of the last mods I did because I was worried about speedbumps but when lowered you're still miles away from them mate! Better handling just a bit more of a bumpy ride...

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#222351 - 23/07/10 01:12 PM Re: Mount/Puma/Jsport [Re: ShottaZ]
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I thought about the trade-offs and although I cant appreciate the extent of them without actually driving the thing, I still think it won't really bother me, I change gears like I have OCD anyway. My only concern is not being able to put it in 5th at 40.

I drive bare mileage and to save money I eco drive at 50-60mph quite a lot on this single lane carriageway, sometimes even do 70mph on motorways as opposed to 80-90mph on private land. I read somewhere it may even increase economy at points but I'm not inclined to believe it!




it will drive at 40mph in 5th easily, if you don't mind changing gears then the tiny loss of torque won't be an issue. Up and running is where is really is on song, will have plenty of acceleration at those speeds, drop it to 4th and will fly.
MPG is arguably better erally depends on how you drive, rev it and won't be good, I just got 38mpg over 300 mile drive and possible to better that if yor eco driving.
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