#341944 - 10/08/11 06:42 PM
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Replacing an entire ST into my fiesta.... i have a 52 Plate fiesta and its getting old now.... 106K and wont pass its MOT next year on emissions, now im thinking just before anyone says anything about get rid etc etc.... Can i replace everything from a written off ST into my fiesta... wiring loom's etc etc.... im thinking of getting a written off Facelift ST and stripping both car's down and placing everything into my fiesta... Dash, entire wiring looms, Everything apart from (obviously) the fuel tank (but il swap Pumps with the ST The car it self is in fairly neat condition body work wise, Two front wings need changing (just need a second Front wing to send them to get sprayed) and a god awful dent below the rear light that a KA put in... (max price 450 according to a sprayer i went too) Can this be done by someone who has not much in the way of mechaincal knowledge but can figure problems out.... obviously there should be no problems as there both the same chassis's, but this will involve converting my car too ABS, Should easily be done though as everything will just come from the ST. il be 20 by the time this gets insured and done, but the outside will remain very much the same, not changing the bumpers yet or anything cosmetically different... (it has ST rear discs and the spiler already) but it blends in very well so will aim for the sleeper look to surprise people  what do you all think?
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#341945 - 10/08/11 06:48 PM
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Goodyear to the rescue..................for this
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#341946 - 10/08/11 06:50 PM
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Goodyear to the rescue..................for this
what how?
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#341948 - 10/08/11 08:05 PM
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Sod all that, just buy one...............
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#341949 - 10/08/11 08:14 PM
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#341950 - 10/08/11 08:24 PM
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the reason being is i doubt il be able to sell my fez for much more then 1k... many people/garages probably wont consider a PX on a car with 106k+ miles on it and still give me alot back... plus to pass the next emmisions test its going to need a new CAT and that does not include anything that may appear between tests... im perfectly happy to keep the car or sell it on but if theres no point on selling it for such a low price... Written Off ST's are currently in the range of 2k too 4k dependent on age...
i hope a company will agree that i should pay the same price as an ST but wont cover it up to the cost of an ST.. maybe just class as a standered Zetec in the event of an accident....
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#341952 - 10/08/11 08:30 PM
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well who knows it was an idea, and i loved the idea of it being a sleeper
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#341954 - 10/08/11 08:35 PM
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i got £500 quid for a N reg escort with 140k on the clock trade in on my ST 2 n a half years ago, if your paying cash for a car they bend over backwards for you  the car was up for £6,495 i got it for £6000 plus my escort
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#341955 - 10/08/11 08:44 PM
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hasn't goodyear done this with his fiesta, pm him.
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#341960 - 10/08/11 10:12 PM
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Not being funny but you can pick up a running ST for £3500...
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#341961 - 11/08/11 07:47 AM
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Not being funny but you can pick up a running ST for £3500...
as above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
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#341967 - 11/08/11 01:24 PM
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My mate did this from a 1.4 - it's not just the engine, the wiring loom is different, ecu is different the list is endless - it's possible but bloody expensive.
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#341968 - 11/08/11 01:47 PM
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think it'd make more sense to buy an st mate. if you want the sleeper look just put your bumpers on the st and sell your zetec with the st bumpers fitted?? might get more for it too that way.
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#341971 - 11/08/11 05:51 PM
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#341973 - 11/08/11 07:42 PM
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the point was the engine high mileage... yet chassis is good... the idea of surprising some people was fun more then anything, but i dont want to convert an ST into it...
i wasnt wanting to increase the value of the car just swap everything over...
i just wanted some value out of the car lol i spent 2k on it 18 months ago, Snapped Timing belt and a greedy garage didnt help
buy an ST it is i guess...
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#341975 - 11/08/11 08:21 PM
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i sold my ST for £3500
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#341976 - 11/08/11 09:45 PM
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Don't ruin this guy's thread children 
Thanks, comments on it are welcome though just wanted more of peoples opinion though....
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i sold my ST for £3500
Im wanting a bog standered one... after this one im scared of owning one thats been ragged and mis treated like this one was, became obvious as i started working on the car... my fault for not inspecting it better though...
I would like a facelift ST more then anything and considering on saving as much as i can for the ST500 although would anyone agree its not worth it?
my ultimate goal would be a ZS celebration (Green one) with an ST engine in
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#341978 - 12/08/11 11:42 AM
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You could do it yourself, but you'd need to put aside around a month (realistically) of decent time to do it properly. You're going to need to be able to weld (to build things like engine mounts, etc which will be different from your engine at the moment) and will need a reasonable understanding of how the ST and your car are dismantled and reassembled. The advantage of doing it is you could end up with a very clean engine bay by hiding all the wiring and building very minimalistic engine mounts at low cost by doing it all yourself. IMO it's only worth attempting if you have the time and skills to get it right without resorting to help from a garage. A garage is going to cost you an absolute fortune. Just to give you a little bit of food for thought, here is my car on Monday and Tuesday after Ford Fair. Engine was practically out:  
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#341981 - 12/08/11 02:29 PM
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Yep, roose hoses (coolant, ancillary and heater matrix - pretty expensive load of kit brand new) all in red as you can see. I already have a samco hose in red for my pipercross induction. I also fit my milltek 4-1 exhaust manifold and relocated the battery to the boot so that i've got plenty of room. And put one of those little breather filters on. Spent a good while tidying up all the wiring too which is a disgrace as standard from Ford. The finished result is:   All that I need to do now is clean it up as it's a bit dusty from the workshop. Nothing too difficult though. Edit: I should add that one of my good friends from Retrospeedshop in Birmingham gave me a hand with parts of it. He is extremely knowledgeable and did things such as building the boot battery tray. Some very neat welding and fabrication went on with it. I'll be taking it off over the weekend if the weather clears up to paint it red. Sorry for the thread hijack!
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#341982 - 12/08/11 03:59 PM
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#341983 - 12/08/11 04:55 PM
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Yeah, we did spend a while discussing the idea of a remote turbo which would be located towards the back of the car with all boost pipes etc running back to the front of the car. Fabricated piping with fins attached would allow cooling to be sufficient to negate the need for an intercooler.
Would be a big project, but definitely interesting.
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#341984 - 12/08/11 07:44 PM
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erm the engine mounts are the same for both engines.... mount same places too... its a drop out and drop back in thing... the Engine wiring loom would need changing but i would littrally drop my fez out completley and reassemble from the ST... i dont think it would be as hard as it sounds... the interior can come out in bassically an hour and a half i would say.... just a case of knowing where bits came from and where they went...
with a decent amount of time spent on it, i would say a week and a half... seeing as you can do an engine swap in a day on these...
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#341985 - 12/08/11 08:02 PM
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Yeah, we did spend a while discussing the idea of a remote turbo which would be located towards the back of the car with all boost pipes etc running back to the front of the car. Fabricated piping with fins attached would allow cooling to be sufficient to negate the need for an intercooler.
Would be a big project, but definitely interesting.
Less talk, more do!!! 
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#341988 - 13/08/11 09:03 AM
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Thanks Steph, i'll let you clean it next time I see you.
Oh and your signature is the biggest load of lose i've ever seen.
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#341989 - 13/08/11 08:45 PM
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The helpful bit will be having the ST to copy. Try not to rip the ST to shreds then reassemble but instead do it in little stages so you can remember each bit. That would be my approach anyway.
Where abouts are you going to be doing this?
Still considering it... i would replace bit by bit and with some common sense it can/could be done... starting with the entire Interior getting swapped... think that would be the worst bit of the entire swap...
The idea is replacing it in each half and not just chuck everything out... the entire dash should be obvious enough to change its just working out wiring loom routes which would be a massive pain... hopefully it wont need chopping and re-soldering....
il be doing it next year (if i am) and going to see if i can find an area i can rent/use thats safe and secure (workshop?) and get both cars in there side by side and be taking lots and lots of pictures on a digi cam so i can have infomation to constantly feedback too incase anything goes wrong... if im getting an ST i want a decent low mileage one... again if i do the swap il use a low mileage example... its choices though...
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