#371992 - 29/11/11 05:32 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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Its because everyone knows who it is so effects more people, although saying that I did say who is that when someone told me
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#371995 - 29/11/11 06:01 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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When a soldier enlists with the army, he/she knows that at some point, their life will be on the line. So, as Duncan said, sadly, when a soldier dies, it's just another death (Not in my view).
When a footballer or someone famous passes away, alot of people around the world know of this person and they all like to pay their tributes.
The news should of course put more effort though into mentioning these brave soldiers that are passing away in the war.
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#371998 - 29/11/11 06:38 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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Im afraid its got so out of control in Afghan, we are all guilty of "oh its another soldier thats dies" it happens so often now its not a shock. Terrible but true. Im not saying it doesnt matter, of course it does but we dont lose a top name in football every other week. Such a waste in both cases here 
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#371999 - 29/11/11 06:57 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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Stu this is dangerous considering my last post regarding Mr Speed.
but if my opinion is welcome hear to be voiced openly without offending members i'll say it.
The guy is at the peak of his career in terms of public success.
He just takes his life for no apparent reason what so ever that has not been concluded yet, leaving behind two kids and a distraught wife, who now has to peice the puzzle of this unusual event probably going to effect her for the rest of her life.
The guy was to put it bluntly selfish.
Life is not all success stories and happy happy fairy tales.
if he was so troubled why didn't he seek help.
On the other hand considering what i said in a contraddictive way.
Why would a man with so much going for him top him self, i think the death should be treated suspiciously considering these events.
Absolutely mate, in this thread I purposely mentioned debate/discussion so people could air their personal views. As adults we should be able to stage a debate without fear of aggression 
To answer your thoughts I think I agree 100%
I also agree with Steph we don't know what was going on and therefore don't understand his reasoning, but the fact still remains as Rob suggested that the press are guilty or the "another has died" scenario and that is something we should certainly look to change as a nation because that is totally wrong!
All great points so far guys,
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#372002 - 29/11/11 07:25 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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The whole media attention pisses alot of people off but were not the ones running round printing the press. They will print what sells and as stated earlier in the thread, the soldier was 'just another statistic' in the war (which is wrong). We all know what lengths papers will go to to get a story and make a few quid out of us, for example printing a full front page story about a celeb being caught with drugs and having lesbian flings, then a week later printing a 3 line sub article on page 36 saying sorry we made It up, and news channels do the same as they need the viewers for advertisement money.
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#372003 - 29/11/11 07:31 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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#372007 - 29/11/11 07:56 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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if i could shoot every reporter that makes a needless storey i would have killed a good few thousand people!
the media are a joke
i feel for their family, its hard enough to deal with a death without a load of pricks outside your house trying to get a pic of you through your window crying!
its sad that people pay people to do it, its not a job its a joke of an excuse for a job
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#372008 - 29/11/11 07:56 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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As a massive newcastle fan << i grew up watching and idolising Gary Speed as he just seemed like the absolute professional. Never a single bad word said about him by anyone from opposing teams and never in the media spotlight. I do agree that suicide can be seen as ever so slightly selfish in regard to their family but i just think people should keep that to themselves..like i generally try and do as paying respects i think is more important. Seems to of been tons of celebs die lately a lot of whom have affected a lot of lives. But for some reason i've never felt so saddened by a celebrities death as i have Gary Speed, no idea why either really just feel like this was the last thing anyone could ever of expected. For instance when amy winehouse died i felt bad for her and her family of course but the way her life had panned out up until then i was hardly suprised.
As for the army not getting much of a mention i just feel that it is kind of in their job description really..In MY honest opinion i feel they get too much of the spotlight when one of them dies. Yes it is sad for them and there family but its not like it isn't highlighted in the job description so to speak.
Anyway just my two cents..don't post much but just a topic i seem fairly passionate about.
Another good point mate, I paid my respect to Gary Speed as everyone else did and I certainly will be observing a minutes silence/applause at the Etihad stadium on Saturday. I also partially agree with others though at the selfishness of it. And I take the point about the job description, but I think the job description is more defending our country and fighting for whats right as opposed to dying for the country.
Scotty you raise a great point also and sorry to hear of your story, people do want to hear about the family of Gary Speed etc etc, but I would equally like to hear how the family of the soldier are going to be supported as that's what I want to pay my taxes for!
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#372009 - 29/11/11 07:59 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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I believe there should be a cool off period for bereaved families before the press can approach them. It must be hard enough to accept what has happened without some freelance photographer sticking a giant camera in you face and following you to the shops or camping outside your house
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#372013 - 29/11/11 08:48 PM
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I'm sure they would stay away if they could be held accountable for and sued if they breathe rules.
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#372014 - 29/11/11 10:35 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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The cooling off period idea is a good idea, sorry to hear it Scott All valid points so far 
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#372017 - 29/11/11 11:39 PM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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I was going to mention the BBC. Yes they give the soldiers good coverage but then again, they don't go chasing random stories
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#372018 - 30/11/11 08:12 AM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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The BBC and SKY are the only two decent "media" out there. Like Micky said, they always name the soldier that has sadly been killed, which is alot more than what can be said for the papers, who as stated, like to pester the family and friends or someone that's just passed away.
Scotty, I know how you feel mate. I lost my mother to suicide at 9 years of age, and for the last 15 years I have wondered why. Persoanlly, I don't think she or anybody else that commits suicide is being selfish, as I'm sure when your in this state of mind your just not thinking. I'v never felt as low as this and I'm sure most of us here havn't, so I doubt any of us will ever know what is going through someone's mind when they feel they just can't take anymore.
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#372019 - 30/11/11 09:15 AM
Re: Discussion/Debate time!
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The media is about giving the majority of the people the information that they want, not what is morally right. The problem with giving soldiers large coverage as a mark of respect is that a lot of people simply are not that interested. As a result, they will just turn off the tv or not buy that newspaper which isn't in the media's interests.
When we first went to war, each death was covered intensely because it was "new and different" and it sold. Now people have lost interest and see each death as the same as the last (even if this is morally wrong). Gary Speed's death however fills that "new and different" criteria and so gets large coverage.
On a different note, I believe facebook, twitter, and other social networking sites have a large part to play in what gets shown in the news. When Raoul Moat went on his rampage, this got huge media attention partly due to how much he was featured in status' and trending on twitter. Even to the extent that people were jumping on the bandwagon and praising Raoul Moat and branding him a "legend". The same has happened with Gary Speed with many people posting tributes as facebook status'.
I haven't seen a single facebook status amongst my friends about the soldier's death. Why is this?
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#372024 - 30/11/11 09:51 PM
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Agree with what you said Harper.
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