Scotty, I dont think that's the point Stu was trying to make. From what I understand is that he signed to a contract to say that he'll be paid X amount per year and will have a certain pension when he retires. The government want to change this so he pays in the same amount and gets less back.
If that's the solution then that policy should only apply to people joining, it shouldn't affect others who's contract is already in place. My dad has paid the required amount in for his pension and is now two years off retirement, it's massively unfair for him to have some of his money taken away. Same applies for others like Stu, granted he's not paid as much but it's still money he's put in to get the originally agreed payout when he retires.

you would think that all the austerity measures (nice political phrase isn't it) brought in by our government the UK should be doing better.............uumm
It's time we started looking after ourselves, stop giving money to EU and encourage manufacturing allowing it to compete with imports.
I watched that program tonight about the collapse of the west and the rise of China. This making stuff cheaper abroad is baloney, chinese woman was a manager earning £20K and I would guess the production line people were earning perhaps half, even so the UK could easily do same paying those wages, my mate has bought some top of the line cycling shorts £170 eh made abroad, telling me nobody in UK can make them for same or less.
Yes I have digressed but if the UK/Gov looked after it's own more then we wouldn't have to screw everyone over and it's public sector that always gets it first.

Steve makes a very good point. Just done a quick google and in 2008 the eu cost us £65 billion and rising every year

Oh yea the EU is a waste of time, why should someone in another country decide whats best for us

How much debt we got? How quickly could we pay it off saving £65billion a year?
Bet it would save us many more times over than cutting pensions

....and rising

So next year if we stay in the EU we will have pretty much a trillion?

Yeah disgusting to strike, we will just let the government walk all over us then shall we and accept everything they do and say. Have you read 1984?

Not the point Scotty! I've signed a contract and that contract should not be changed without my agreement! Pay more than I pay now and get less back? I don't think so! But let's not strike at all let's just let them do what they want so they protect their own arses whilst destroying our futures. Can believe you (Adam) have such a strong view against the strikes. You have the option to retire whenever you want to, we don't so I'd like my future and my families future secured than you. And I will strike at any time should the government not agree a deal with the unions. We're you angry with the coal miners strikes as well? When the government were taking the livelihood of millions of people and placing them into the depths of poverty? Or was that a public inconvenience as well? So I'll get paid the same, give the government much more in tax as I will be over the £40k threshold next year, pay more in pension but get less back so im being stung twice, are you? No! I'd gain more money getting paid £30k a year than 40! Brilliant incentive to achieve that isn't it! But striking is inconvenient for you, so I'll just let them walk all over me should I? What a load of Bollocks!

think we all have pretty much the same views on what and how the UK should be, in other words doing what we want and not what the government dictates, just such a same that as a nation we don't all come together and help each other, as soon as their are financial issues the press is full of anti public sector Views and Letters from the public - we are public too.

and then the question of transfering out where to do we invest into another scheme that can't be changed, just give me the money instead !

Steph you can't say that until you walk or work even in someone else shoes, I know of plenty of people, and 1 very close to home who have had breakdowns doing the work I do

And even if its not as stressful.... the hazards I face, electric shocks, falls, crushing, etc etc
I already have a bad back from it at 21....

So you can't really say anything about someone elses job until you try it