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#451015 - 17/07/12 04:45 PM Engine torque link
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Hi guys,

A recent healthcheck on my car by Ford threw up that the engine/gearbox torque converter link has a slight tear in the bush. Its not a massive tear but it could signal problems later on down the line. I was thinking, while it was out, to polybush it, or get an uprated item (with the intentions further down the line of polybushing everything).

Where can I get the polybushes for the torque link, or how much are replacement items?

What's the general feeling about them? Alex, I know you have one, do you notice it during normal driving, and does it make the car feel stiffer? I think I can live with the increased vibration in the cabin at idle etc

Thanks a lot guys

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#451016 - 17/07/12 05:16 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: dontpannic]
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i think Alex fitted his and promptly removed it due to the noise, i may be completely wrong tho

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#451017 - 17/07/12 06:37 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: ROB IS THE STIG]
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the complete engine torque link from vibratechnics makes for a lot on in cabin noise, been told that on here and by by Ford service manager who has experience with these from his rally days I think.
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#451018 - 17/07/12 07:53 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: ROB IS THE STIG]
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i think Alex fitted his and promptly removed it due to the noise, i may be completely wrong tho




Almost right I put it on, the vibrations were a bit OTT but I think it was because it had only just been put on

I still have it and i hardly notice the vibrations/ noise, not sure if i have got used to them or they have just quietened down. I just love the vibration when i start the car up from cold Feels like a beast under the hood

But its a good step if yours is buggered and your looking to do the rest When i changed mine the old one had a massive tear in it

EDIT: Just asked my missues for her view on the noise and vibrations from the link, she rekons its much quieter from when it was 1st fitted
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#451019 - 17/07/12 08:19 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Alex_H]
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I should think it would quieten as it wears in a bit
Like anything it needs time to settle in
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#451020 - 18/07/12 04:17 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Adam08]
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What is it you have Alex? Is it a standard part with polybushes?
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#451021 - 18/07/12 09:37 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: dontpannic]
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nah was a whole replacement, Vibra Technics one Courtesy of Kaxe

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/product-Vibra...-Mount_1079.jsp
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#451022 - 13/09/12 09:49 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Alex_H]
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would this also be known as a 'engine gearbox roll restrictor link' been told to replace mine and im struggling to successfully google
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#451023 - 13/09/12 10:06 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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would this also be known as a 'engine gearbox roll restrictor link' been told to replace mine and im struggling to successfully google




Yes, that's the one. As your engine and gearbox twist under torque something is needed to stop it twisting too much/rolling.

The actual part is metal with two holes into which two rubber bushes fit. It is very unlikely the metal part is damaged so you just replace the rubber bushes. You can either replace them with OEM rubber parts or uprated parts from companies like powerflex.

Alternatively, Vibratechnics make a unit which has both a new metal part and rubber bushes which is what people are talking about above.
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#451024 - 13/09/12 10:13 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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any chance you can link me to the replacement rubber parts? Cheers mate
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#451025 - 13/09/12 10:24 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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Just having a quick look, eurocarparts (www.eurocarparts.com) sell two different versions, the cheapest is made by Q-Drive and it looks as though you get the whole unit. This is a better option as the bushes will be quite hard to get in and out and probably require a press to do so.

Search for Part No.: 337590770. It's £33.54 but you can use the code on here for 25% off or MIDMONTH30 for 30% off which should make it £23.48.
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#451026 - 13/09/12 10:27 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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The other one eurocarparts sell is Part No.: 337590775.

I've no idea whether it is a better part or not, i'd go with the cheaper one but that's probably just me being a tight arse.
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#451027 - 13/09/12 10:35 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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ive never heard of either company cheers for finding them mate

Anyone else heard of or used Q Drive or Lemforder? Recomendations on quality?


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#451028 - 13/09/12 11:18 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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At £24 even if it breaks after a year (pretty unlikely I imagine), not exactly broke the bank have you
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#451029 - 13/09/12 11:19 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Burn4]
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#451030 - 13/09/12 11:31 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Burn4]
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theres only £7 difference between the pair so just interested if anyone had used either company before
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#451031 - 13/09/12 11:40 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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I think Q Drive is EuroCarParts own brand, I haven't heard good stuff about them. Lemforder I believe is a german OE manufacturer for BMW, VAG etc. So my money would go with Lemforder between those two

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#451032 - 13/09/12 12:54 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Ad89]
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If you're going to go and pick it up from your local depo then it might be an idea to see which they have in stock as they might only carry one of the two. Just a thought.
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#451033 - 13/09/12 01:00 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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yeah thats a point, ill check out in advance which they have in stock. How easy are these to fit then?
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#451034 - 13/09/12 01:12 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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Very easy as long as you can get under your car, one bolt goes through each of the rubber bushes. You just undo those and it will fall out. Do it on the flat so that the engine and gearbox don't twist. You can then put the new one in place (push the engine and gearbox using your hand if it isn't quite in the right place) and put the old bolts back in tight.

In advance, have a look under your car and see if you can get to it, you should be able to see it very easily, it's very low down on the car.
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#451035 - 13/09/12 01:28 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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yeah i may struggle to squeeze under mine ill have a look later when i get home, cheers
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#451036 - 13/09/12 04:10 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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The powerflex bushes are easy to change just need a decent saw and vice plus copper grease but a little packet comes with the bushes
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#451037 - 13/09/12 06:02 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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I noticed mine was worn on my old fez... Found a low mileage whole replacement for a tenner on eBay

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#451038 - 13/09/12 06:20 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: nosnow3]
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when Ollie at OC motorsport took mine off mine was split also min was 6 years old at the time
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#451039 - 18/09/12 06:55 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Kreaper]
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mine was broken when i took it off last year, with only 30k on the clock
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#451040 - 18/09/12 07:02 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Dan_The_Man]
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what did you get to replace it Dan? bog standard one or a more expensive option?
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#451041 - 18/09/12 07:06 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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i replaced it with a vibratechnics one

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/product-Vibra...-Mount_1079.jsp
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#451042 - 18/09/12 07:14 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Dan_The_Man]
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It's just a shame they're quite expensive. Can you tell a notable difference specifically from that Dan or did it just feel "fixed" given your other one had broke?

Would be good if we could get a group buy going. Are there a few people wanting one?
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#451043 - 18/09/12 07:28 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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when you 1st fit it the car does wobble on idle, buts it settles in and you notice the little hesitation when accelerating disappears and feels a lot more responsive
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#451044 - 18/09/12 07:39 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Dan_The_Man]
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don't know wether to go cheap or not
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#451045 - 19/09/12 06:12 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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Ahh that's interesting, I hate that when you floor it and it takes a split second to do anything. I always put it down to the ECU trying to "think" whether it's a good idea. Lol.
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#451046 - 19/09/12 09:28 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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It's just a shame they're quite expensive. Can you tell a notable difference specifically from that Dan or did it just feel "fixed" given your other one had broke?

Would be good if we could get a group buy going. Are there a few people wanting one?




Yeah i'd be interested in one
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#451047 - 19/09/12 10:13 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Jack_P]
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shall we start up a dedicated group buy post?
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#451048 - 19/09/12 11:16 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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we may be but would need help fitting lol. how do you know if you need a new one?
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#451049 - 19/09/12 12:11 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: gary4vicky]
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either someones tells you the bushes are split or you take it off and find out for yourself dont think there is a way of telling while driving unless it all fell apart
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#451050 - 19/09/12 08:14 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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you start getting a knocking noise if it totally goes
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#451051 - 19/09/12 08:18 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Dan_The_Man]
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i have changed mine twice.... one to a reinforced mount...still popped and now i got a full poly mount cost me around £30..

much better then stock mount
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#451052 - 19/09/12 09:37 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Mean_ST]
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Yeah, lets see if we can get a decent group buy price. We can set up a group buy thread definitely.

I have a feeling mine is either worn or a bit split, the engine twists quite a bit. Especially when I was on the rolling road, moreso than anyone elses.
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#451053 - 19/09/12 10:41 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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Mine was flagged as split and a problem when my MR200 was fitted. A new one was put in. Now I'm thinking I might get the upgraded one instead
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#451054 - 20/09/12 06:37 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: CJ_]
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I'll email pumespeed when I get into work and see if we can get a price
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#451055 - 20/09/12 10:07 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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Well Burton Power sell 2 different versions, a HD (fast road) and a competition. The competition is the more expensive (but not by much) and is £136.44. Less than the £139 pumaspeed charge for what I assume is the fast road version.

Probably worth trying a few different places including vibratechnics themselves. If we get enough of us together they might sell direct at a good price.
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#451056 - 20/09/12 12:35 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: kinobeSTew]
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ive emailed Pumaspeed, Burton Power and Vibra technics.

Hopefull will get a positive response. If we do then ill set up a group buy in the lot
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#451057 - 15/04/13 08:17 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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thought id update this page,

had the vibratechnics link on for a couple weeks now. most people ask about the vibrations, yes, on startup it does sound violent but definitely calming down already and not massively noticeable during driving, altho mine does idle quite aggressively due to the mountune kit so i may not be best opinion there

in terms of driving, the gear changes are definitely better, the little hesitation that i hated when changing gears has gone, its now very smooth and a lot quicker because of it.

were talking fractions of a second here but for those who do want to squeeze everything possible out of their car pacewise then id recommend it
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#451058 - 15/04/13 09:03 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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want one to replace mine, don't know if i should

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#451059 - 15/04/13 09:06 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: nosnow3]
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does your link need replacing? i only changed mine as i had been told the original bushes in mine had split.
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#451060 - 15/04/13 09:20 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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make a vid of the start up noise, is there any other noise from it when driving or changing gear, or just on start up ?
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#451061 - 15/04/13 09:20 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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Agreed with Liam on experiences and advice re: replacement.
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#451062 - 15/04/13 09:21 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: dontpannic]
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Just on startup really. Sounds the same but you can feel it rather than just hear it. You won't catch it on video, best bet is to sit in one of our cars at FITP
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#451063 - 15/04/13 09:31 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: dontpannic]
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it only occurs when directly starting the engine, loud thump a couple times before the engine ticks over, this has definitely calmed down as the bushes bed in. the vibrations only occur when driving at very low revs, 1500 mark ish.
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#451064 - 15/04/13 09:51 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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Did just try a quick video but can't notice it all
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#451065 - 15/04/13 10:13 PM Re: Engine torque link [Re: sxkopite8]
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its not that bad, i dont ever notice mine anymore, i have had it on there for ages now
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#451066 - 16/04/13 09:26 AM Re: Engine torque link [Re: Dan_The_Man]
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At 30k I don't think it will do, unless age comes into it. Mines an 05

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