#457952 - 17/08/12 08:50 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: cherie]
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Eat My Du
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Morning, I'm having exactly the same issue. Car is in the garage today to have it checked over for that reason so I'll let you know outcome
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#457960 - 17/08/12 11:24 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: ST_Jonny]
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as soon as i mentioned this at the garage, the first thing they said was 'that ties in with the warm weather' which would explain why a few of us are having this but its not good if whenever it gets warm the car goes all wimpy on us
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#457963 - 17/08/12 11:45 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: cherie]
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#457966 - 17/08/12 04:39 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: Jack_P]
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just got home from Mountune, got them to check this out for me as i wasnt sure if it was possibly connected to the upgrade. My symptoms were exactly the same as those Cherie listed at the start. Altho the guys in the garage cant say 100% what it was, theyve taken an educated guess at it. What they believe it is is the 'front hego sensor' in the exhaust. They think that that was faulty and wasnt operating correctly with the back sensor so it wasnt idling correctly. What theyve done is installed a new one on the car, if it works fine and the problem doesnt return then everything is sorted. if it does carry on doing it then i need to take it back and theyll put my original back on and carry on trying diagnose it. So keep your eyes posted on here for updates from myself! i did mention to them that other people on here were having the same problem with different setups i.e. standard, custom mod route etc so theyve asked me to let them know what everyone elses outcomes are as theyd like to know about it if it is a common problem. so maybe well see a Mountune hego sensor on the site soon Must say, the blokes there are fantastic, absolutely first class service from them again today
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#457968 - 17/08/12 08:45 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: Ad89]
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I've got something slightly simpler to try tomorrow: a new air filter. Although she had a service in April, it was only a minor one and it wasn't changed. Thought I'd check it, and it's filthy even if it's not the cause, it needs doing. If it doesn't cure, I'll try the ECU reset tomorrow instead.
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#457969 - 18/08/12 08:38 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
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#457971 - 20/08/12 06:52 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: Jack_P]
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Decided this morning to disconnect the battery and leave it so over night, at the same time ive cleaned out my k@n57i and left it to dry, i got a video from the exhaust basically showing what i hear an can see by judging the revs but will put it up later.
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#457974 - 22/08/12 04:11 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
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sat here with the car at idle and now no problems at all, happily sat there at around 11krpm
Insane! I want 11k rpm
I love it too, shame i was on about 1100
The problems come back also, did it this afternoon from cold :/
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#457980 - 22/08/12 08:40 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: Milky]
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i apprechiate what STASON's thoughts are on it, but as soon as the engine turns over the alternator produces more then enough current to support the entire car
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#457983 - 22/08/12 10:02 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: dedafmonteur]
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My st does this stason winding windows down etc
My mates focus did it
My old 1.4 mk6 did it (was fun as you could almost get a tune from the exhaust)
Motors will always pull a lot of current and consume power from your engine
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#457985 - 24/08/12 08:42 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: Jack_P]
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first chance to try out this new sensor today from a complete cold start. made no difference, i tried giving the engine a chance to breathe without my foot on the throttle to give it a hand and it did then stall so its obviously not that. back to the garage for a second diagnosis
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#457987 - 24/08/12 08:54 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: dedafmonteur]
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Hope you have some luck, this is beginning to annoy me now. Hopefully people are reading this, for everyone who's had this problem can you list out your current details so I can show them to the garage. I'm talking car production year, current mileage, what mods (if any). May help them look for a pattern. killeruk you've said there's a similar thread going on STOC. can u get similar details from them as well Cheers
Edited by sxkopite8 (24/08/12 09:06 PM)
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#457989 - 24/08/12 11:05 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: dedafmonteur]
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Whys no one changed a coil pack yet?
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#457996 - 27/08/12 11:51 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
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Happens for around 20-30seconds, 15 seconds after start up when its cold. If its been driven ad its sligtly warm or still upto temp it doesnt do it.
This is exactly same as mine
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#457997 - 28/08/12 07:34 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: dedafmonteur]
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- does the car have a bad idle atba cold startup? And after like 10/20 min it's mich better?
No. It's better after only a couple of minutes, or if the engine is turned off and restarted.
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- is it worse when it's cold/damp outside?
No. It's worse when it's warmer.
This morning was the coldest it's been for a while, and I had no issues at all. Started fine, idled at the RPM you'd expect. I changed the air filter on Saturday, but that didn't appear to make a difference, unless the ECU just needed the 140 mile drive I did straight after to learn that it was getting more/cleaner air.
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#457998 - 03/09/12 09:20 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: cherie]
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Hows everyone been getting on with this?
Ive just been back on to the garage to report that their sensor theory hadnt panned out so ive now booked it in for them to have it for the whole week to try and track down the problem.
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#458002 - 04/09/12 11:24 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: dedafmonteur]
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This was posted on FiestaSTOC.com by "duratec190": Quote:
"Right guys, this was happening to my ST alot about a year or so ago!
to start off with, it is NOT lambda sensor related, on cold startup, the engine management system runs open loop, in a nutshell means because its cold and the cat hasn't started working yet, the ECU/PCM totally blocks off any information the lmabda sensors are trying to send it! it therefore goes into a default rich mixture mode untill the coolant temp sensor tells it "the engine is warm, start listening to what these sensors have to say"
THIS IS WHAT WORKED ON MY CAR: i am a ford tech so obviously going to fix it myself rather than paying my work to let me put the IDS computer on it.. when i started my car it would splutter and cough for about 5 seconds and then either stall or if i gave it a quick rev it picked up and was ok after that, i decided to take my spark plugs out for a look in the morning, some oily residue on them (around the electrode tip), first thought was cam cover seal leaking into plug holes, but all was bone dry, and the oil wouldnt really get past the seal and threads into the combustion chamber! so the oil was coming from inside the cylinder, but where? surely my piston rings or valve stem oil seals werent gone at 23,000mls? only other way oil is getting into the cylinder is of course the crankcase breather, so i removed the oil cooler/filterhousing and starter motor and took the breather pipe (from block to inlet manifold) off the inlet and bunged the inlet with a sillicone pipe + jubilee clip, also took the 1 from cam cover to air filter off and put a small filter on the cam cover, replaced the plugs anyway and took it a good hard blast to clear it out!
Never had a problem since!
This wont cost you anything to do other than if you need to buy a small sillicone bung and jubilee clip for the manifold (this is what supercharged owners need to do if there still running a standard inlet!
so i would wreckon this is worth a try, what i can imagine was happening was some oil vapour being present in the inlet and cylinders just before the engine is turned off at night (going to be warm and more vapour) and then whilst sitting overnight clinging to the cylinder walls and spark plug electrode! then when starting theres not a good spark in maybe 1 or 2 even 3 cylinders which causes the coughing, spluttering, stink of fuel, stalling, then when the engines been started again and given a little rev its done enought to clean the plug and then runs ok!
thats my theory anyway guys, some may argue it but it makes sense and it cured my problem
so basically vent both breathers to atmosphere and bung inlet.. replace plugs, job done!
Cheers"
Not sure about anyone else, but this sounds very plausible, as he said, the system runs in open loop when cold, so it can't be sensors, and when I lightly rev my car for 10 seconds from cold and let it idle again it's fine?
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#458004 - 11/09/12 08:55 AM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
[Re: dedafmonteur]
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Cars back in the garage today for round two at solving this. Completely forgot to mention to them about the post above. Theyve got it all week now so plenty of chances to diagnose it from cold so fingers crossed.
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#458005 - 14/09/12 08:55 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
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Got the car back today, over the week they stripped car down and tested as much as possible without finding a mechanical reason for it happening.
What theyve done to try and repair it is tweak the fuelling at startup so it is increased by 10%. The first couple times theyve started it since, it has worked. Now down to me to keep trialing it and get back to them with long term results.
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#458007 - 21/09/12 02:00 PM
Re: Revs dropping on startup
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interesting, im sure i can hear a hissing from around that area when im accelerating so i had been wondering if i had a leak there
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