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#457996 - 27/08/12 11:51 AM Re: Revs dropping on startup ***** [Re: Jack_P]
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Happens for around 20-30seconds, 15 seconds after start up when its cold. If its been driven ad its sligtly warm or still upto temp it doesnt do it.




This is exactly same as mine
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#457997 - 28/08/12 07:34 AM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: dedafmonteur]
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- does the car have a bad idle atba cold startup? And after like 10/20 min it's mich better?



No. It's better after only a couple of minutes, or if the engine is turned off and restarted.
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- is it worse when it's cold/damp outside?



No. It's worse when it's warmer.


This morning was the coldest it's been for a while, and I had no issues at all. Started fine, idled at the RPM you'd expect. I changed the air filter on Saturday, but that didn't appear to make a difference, unless the ECU just needed the 140 mile drive I did straight after to learn that it was getting more/cleaner air.
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#457998 - 03/09/12 09:20 AM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: cherie]
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Hows everyone been getting on with this?

Ive just been back on to the garage to report that their sensor theory hadnt panned out so ive now booked it in for them to have it for the whole week to try and track down the problem.
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#457999 - 03/09/12 10:34 AM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: sxkopite8]
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i've been told today it's the fuel filter, seems like the only thing i haven't replace so i just brought one.

will report back

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#458000 - 03/09/12 12:00 PM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: STASON]
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Cleaned my K&N this weekend and reset the battery and the idle is much better now. When accelerating from cold it is still a little bit jumpy but it is a slight improvement.

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#458001 - 03/09/12 02:18 PM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: ST_Jonny]
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I am going to install a larger fuel filter. i have a friend that works for Opel. He said it could be that. Because it's the standard filter for the 1.4 and 1.6, but this engine needs much more fuel.

No idea but worth trying for 10 euro!
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#458002 - 04/09/12 11:24 AM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: dedafmonteur]
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This was posted on FiestaSTOC.com by "duratec190":

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"Right guys, this was happening to my ST alot about a year or so ago!

to start off with, it is NOT lambda sensor related, on cold startup, the engine management system runs open loop, in a nutshell means because its cold and the cat hasn't started working yet, the ECU/PCM totally blocks off any information the lmabda sensors are trying to send it! it therefore goes into a default rich mixture mode untill the coolant temp sensor tells it "the engine is warm, start listening to what these sensors have to say"

THIS IS WHAT WORKED ON MY CAR: i am a ford tech so obviously going to fix it myself rather than paying my work to let me put the IDS computer on it.. when i started my car it would splutter and cough for about 5 seconds and then either stall or if i gave it a quick rev it picked up and was ok after that, i decided to take my spark plugs out for a look in the morning, some oily residue on them (around the electrode tip), first thought was cam cover seal leaking into plug holes, but all was bone dry, and the oil wouldnt really get past the seal and threads into the combustion chamber! so the oil was coming from inside the cylinder, but where? surely my piston rings or valve stem oil seals werent gone at 23,000mls? only other way oil is getting into the cylinder is of course the crankcase breather, so i removed the oil cooler/filterhousing and starter motor and took the breather pipe (from block to inlet manifold) off the inlet and bunged the inlet with a sillicone pipe + jubilee clip, also took the 1 from cam cover to air filter off and put a small filter on the cam cover, replaced the plugs anyway and took it a good hard blast to clear it out!

Never had a problem since!

This wont cost you anything to do other than if you need to buy a small sillicone bung and jubilee clip for the manifold (this is what supercharged owners need to do if there still running a standard inlet!

so i would wreckon this is worth a try, what i can imagine was happening was some oil vapour being present in the inlet and cylinders just before the engine is turned off at night (going to be warm and more vapour) and then whilst sitting overnight clinging to the cylinder walls and spark plug electrode! then when starting theres not a good spark in maybe 1 or 2 even 3 cylinders which causes the coughing, spluttering, stink of fuel, stalling, then when the engines been started again and given a little rev its done enought to clean the plug and then runs ok!

thats my theory anyway guys, some may argue it but it makes sense and it cured my problem

so basically vent both breathers to atmosphere and bung inlet.. replace plugs, job done!

Cheers"




Not sure about anyone else, but this sounds very plausible, as he said, the system runs in open loop when cold, so it can't be sensors, and when I lightly rev my car for 10 seconds from cold and let it idle again it's fine?

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#458003 - 04/09/12 03:16 PM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: Ad89]
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So it's the oil in the inlet manifold??

Right??
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#458004 - 11/09/12 08:55 AM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: dedafmonteur]
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Cars back in the garage today for round two at solving this. Completely forgot to mention to them about the post above. Theyve got it all week now so plenty of chances to diagnose it from cold so fingers crossed.
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#458005 - 14/09/12 08:55 PM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: sxkopite8]
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Got the car back today, over the week they stripped car down and tested as much as possible without finding a mechanical reason for it happening.

What theyve done to try and repair it is tweak the fuelling at startup so it is increased by 10%. The first couple times theyve started it since, it has worked. Now down to me to keep trialing it and get back to them with long term results.
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#458006 - 21/09/12 01:36 PM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: sxkopite8]
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Took my cam cover to filter breather hose off last night before I left work and went to start it this morning and afternoon and it was absolutely fine. In fact better than it's ever been

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#458007 - 21/09/12 02:00 PM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: ST_Jonny]
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interesting, im sure i can hear a hissing from around that area when im accelerating so i had been wondering if i had a leak there
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#458008 - 21/09/12 03:30 PM Re: Revs dropping on startup [Re: sxkopite8]
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I took it off based on the theory that the guy from fiestastoc had come up with. Was still a little bit lumpy but a lot better than the past few weeks. Going to ford tomorrow to see if dad's mate can find anything else that could be a contributing factor.

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