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#6594 - 09/01/05 09:46 AM Restricted Airway
Phyzzo Offline
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Just spoke to a guy from Dunton, not sure if he was full of the brown stuff , but he was saying that any type of change to the air intake on the new car sees quite a change his words "its like taking the spud out of the exhaust pipe" But before you go off to buy your induction kit a word or warning "WARRANTY". On the 170 a K&N panel filter worked quite well with the BLUEFIN so perhaps this may be the safer alternative The Panel filter won't effect the warranty.

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#6595 - 09/01/05 11:36 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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There's quite a nice article on tuning the Duratec 2.0 here. The 203 kit seems to improve the induction quite a bit. As far as I can tell, this kit should work OK with the ST engine?

Here in Cape Town, South Africa, the first ST's are due in February. Unfortunately, choices seem a bit limited (dealers are assigned cars as they arrive), although I'm sure custom orders would be handled with a suitable waiting period. I have an option on a black ST arriving in March. I have heard that black is a slightly problematic colour, although there is a local paint protection scheme called PTS106 that looks quite interesting.

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#6596 - 10/01/05 10:26 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Ryan_CT]
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Quote:

There's quite a nice article on tuning the Duratec 2.0 here. The 203 kit seems to improve the induction quite a bit. As far as I can tell, this kit should work OK with the ST engine?

Here in Cape Town, South Africa, the first ST's are due in February. Unfortunately, choices seem a bit limited (dealers are assigned cars as they arrive), although I'm sure custom orders would be handled with a suitable waiting period. I have an option on a black ST arriving in March. I have heard that black is a slightly problematic colour, although there is a local paint protection scheme called PTS106 that looks quite interesting.




Great info, seems to confirm that a little help with the breathing go's a long way. Can't wait to start playing

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#6597 - 10/01/05 06:04 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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Very interesting read that so the car will take 180bhp without many real problems.

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#6598 - 10/01/05 09:26 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: JON_XL]
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Have to drop in a replacement panel filter in then straight away!

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#6599 - 10/01/05 11:41 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: supercharged]
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I think some Fiesta ST's could be giving my Focus RS problems before long.
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#6600 - 10/01/05 11:50 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: davidChief]
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Well that was what I was told by the boys who where running them at Lommel. I was gutted when I read in the magazines that they were only 'nearly' as quick as the 170.

Maybe there is more than meets the eye....

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#6601 - 11/01/05 11:35 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Hugh]
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didn't they tell you about "the secret switch"

(btw they were saying Lommel is in Germany but it's actually Belgium)(I live about 25 km from it over the border in Holland)
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#6602 - 11/01/05 11:37 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Rens]
Phyzzo Offline
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I will have a play with the various types of induction kits when the car arrives, once I get some results I will pass them on.

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#6603 - 11/01/05 11:52 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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Excellent!

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#6604 - 11/01/05 11:59 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Hugh]
Phyzzo Offline
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I wonder if the larger throttle body that (I think it's American Racing) was fitted to a few Foci would fit?
Plus I've just sent an e-mail to the guy that kept me uptodate with the Bluefin for the ST170,wonder how long it will take to produce one for the Festa?

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#6605 - 11/01/05 05:48 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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Is there a performance panel filter that would fit available at the mo?.

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#6606 - 11/01/05 07:40 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: DAVIDST]
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Is there a performance panel filter that would fit available at the mo?.




Not sure but will contact a mate tonight and get him to check out the part number, if it matches one fitted to something in the range thats been out for a while i'll put it up on the site tomorrow

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#6607 - 11/01/05 07:48 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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Top man

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#6608 - 12/01/05 11:32 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: DAVIDST]
Phyzzo Offline
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Bad new Fiesta airfilter fits only that car, so
you will have to wait for someone to produce a new filter

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#6609 - 12/01/05 11:47 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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Can somebody explain in laymans terms wth you guys are all talking about? Do I unde"rstand cheap extra performance?

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#6610 - 13/01/05 04:00 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: poohbeer]
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oh well,just have to wait 8 months or more

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#6611 - 13/01/05 10:57 AM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: DAVIDST]
Phyzzo Offline
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The new Duratec engine is built in a way that means you will not get much of an improvement in performance with work carried out internally on the engine, but it has a breathing problem by improving the induction of the engine you see very quick gains in power. I suggest you read the link above!!!!

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#6612 - 13/01/05 03:04 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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The new Duratec engine is built in a way that means you will not get much of an improvement in performance with work carried out internally on the engine, but it has a breathing problem by improving the induction of the engine you see very quick gains in power. I suggest you read the link above!!!!




Hmmm - I think that the problem is not so much that you WON'T get gains from modifying the sub-assembly, but that the number of items that would need to change would be huge (and pricey!!!). The intake modifications sound promising, but in all honesty, I wouldn't expect many gains from air filter replacements (as convenient as that would be...).
Air filter replacements generally don't get more than a couple of BHP out (unless the original is broken or REALLY badly designed). The most promise seems to be in the throttle bodies and cylinder head (with suitable changes to the exhaust). The ECU would also have to be remapped with any substantial changes to the induction (not sure how standard the ST ECU is . . . any info out there?)


Edited by Ryan_CapeTown (13/01/05 03:09 PM)

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#6613 - 13/01/05 03:49 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Ryan_CT]
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Panel filter replacements will give a very marginal increase. Their main benefit is that they last forever and can be cleaned. Most air induction systems are routed all around the engine bay so as to provide the engine with the coolest air possible, quiet induction noise and with vehicle packaging in mind. Thing is this means that in most cases for the engine it is like sucking air through a straw - difficult!

If you want breathing improvements then a K&N 57i is the only way forward, the downside of these though is that hotter air is likely to enter the engine. In town/traffic driving this can cause the engine to stall. This isn't the case on all cars though.

I fitted one to my 205 GTi years ago and it made a MASSIVE, and I really do mean MASSIVE difference to the way the car drove. The otiginal system is horrific. It also gave a beautiful induction roar.

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#6614 - 13/01/05 09:59 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Hugh]
Phyzzo Offline
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I have to agree Hugh, as I said induction system not airfilter, although a panel filter and a chip may provide around 10 bhp I was thinking more of a throttle body change with an induction kit mounted so that it picks up from the bloody big holes in that grill!!!!!!!

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#6615 - 13/01/05 10:24 PM Re: Restricted Airway [Re: Phyzzo]
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Yeah - a cone filter with appropriate ducting is probably the best air filter solution. The ducting has to be carefully thought out, though, as some have actually ended up with LOWER power figures because of the higher temperatures / poor flow.

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