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#1258 - 28/04/04 12:23 PM BMP
Scotty Offline
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Found another one for u

The site does not allow offsite BMP Picture linking nor does the Image Uploader Recognise it as a picture.

Can u allow BMP to be viewed Hugh m8.

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#1259 - 28/04/04 01:46 PM Re: BMP [Re: Scotty]
Hugh Offline


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Bitmaps are large sized, lowish quality files. If it is a high quality image then it will have a huge file size and take far too long for people with modems to load.

Save it as a .jpg insetad.

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#1260 - 29/04/04 01:11 PM Re: BMP [Re: Hugh]
Scotty Offline
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I only just .bmp for small size pictures that i want high quality... surely 60kb isn't going to blow a 56k modem up?

Maybe a compromise!?

Set a limit to the size of bmp that can be used... maybe 500kb!?

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#1261 - 04/05/04 11:58 AM Re: BMP [Re: Scotty]
Craig Offline
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Surely it's easier just to save it in another format?

jpg doesn't lose any quality over bitmap - it's just a compressed bitmap format....

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#1262 - 04/05/04 03:08 PM Re: BMP [Re: Craig]
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Actually jpg is a compressed tif.

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#1263 - 04/05/04 03:55 PM Re: BMP [Re: Hugh]
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True - my mistake..!

Still loses no clarity over bmp though....

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#1264 - 04/05/04 04:18 PM Re: BMP [Re: Craig]
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Bitmap is a very precise format, in much the same way as TIFF. Bitmap has no form of compression whatsoever, so the image filesize becomes massive, especially with larger images. The upside of BMPs is that the processing time a computer will take to load them is very low - this is why they are often used for textures and artwork in computer games, as streaming them off disk is quicker than streaming a smaller file (i.e. JPEG) and then decompressing it.

Jpeg is a format that uses a clever series of algorithms and compression formulas to drastically reduce filesize. Image quality does suffer, but variable amounts of compression are possible. The key idea with the JPEG format is dividing the image up into smaller squares - if you have a blue sky, it is unnecessary to record information about every single pixel - if a group of pixels next to each other are roughly the same colour they can be grouped together as being one "big pixel". The bigger these big pixels are, the more compression is possible. This is why JPEG images of the sky or a very plain object will be smaller than a similarly sized image of a complex object - i.e. a group of people. The key concept is what you define as "roughly". With low compression only very similar pixels will get grouped together. With very high compression, a lot of pixels will get grouped together resulting in visible "artefacts" on the image. Because of the way JPEGs work, the format is well suited to photographic images where 100% precision is not necessary. It also is very flexible in terms of colour depth, meaning you can get some very rich looking images.

Example 1 - low compression - photo looks almost perfect, 23kb.


Example 2 - medium compression - photo looks almost OK, 7kb.


Example 3 - high compression - artefacts are clearly visible, 3kb.


Jpeg is not as well suited to images where precision is important - i.e. where text is used, such as logos or headings. On this kind of image, even at low compression the drop in quality is noticable.

For this kind of image, formats such as GIF or PNG are best. Both are quite similar - GIF is quite an old format pioneered by Compuserve, and PNG is a more recent invention. A down side with GIF files is that image is restricted to 255 colors - this makes photographs look quite poor - notice the patchiness of the background in the image below:-



PNG is superior, and allows more colors, with no loss of quality. This does however mean larger filesizes than JPEGs for most types of images.

TIFF is a bit of an ancient technology which has it's own forms of compression available. The end result tends to be closer to the GIF / PNG route. TIFF is often favoured by graphic designers, as there is no loss at all in quality.
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#1265 - 04/05/04 05:23 PM Re: BMP [Re: davidChief]
Scotty Offline
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Ty for that Dave m8...

So High... can a comprimise be made by a limit to a file size!?
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#1266 - 04/05/04 05:39 PM Re: BMP [Re: Scotty]
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Bloody hell Dave, that is a master class and a half!
Some excellent stuff there that I hadn't fully appreciated before.

Scotty, the short answer is no I'm afraid. I can enable bmp's period, but to set a size limit would require a vast ammount off coding which even then would only be valid if the site uploader was used as there is no way of verifying the filesize of an external (hotlinked) image - it would just load it whatever.

To enable bmp's however would take at least 50-60mins of my time to do & test, and to be honest I am not prepared to do that 'cause I'm a lazy bugger!

Not really, I'm just too busy doing other stuff I'm afraid, especially when you compare it to the time it takes to save the image in a different format

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#1267 - 04/05/04 06:46 PM Re: BMP [Re: Hugh]
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Just use JPG or GIF Scott... u crazy bafoon!
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#1268 - 05/05/04 01:39 PM Re: BMP [Re: davidChief]
Scotty Offline
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Damn Hugh... u make things so damn complicated
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#1269 - 23/11/04 04:16 AM Re: BMP [Re: Scotty]
FR500 Offline
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Talking about bitmaps, do u know why my browser downloads all the images from Forddesktops V2 in bitmap format? untitled.bmp is the full filename.

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#1270 - 23/11/04 08:22 AM Re: BMP [Re: FR500]
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That is just your browser playing silly b*ggers... it's due to the remote linking script I've put in place...
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#1271 - 23/11/04 12:28 PM Re: BMP [Re: davidChief]
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How can i fix it?

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#1272 - 23/11/04 01:09 PM Re: BMP [Re: FR500]
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I'll try and find a fix when I have 10 mins mate.
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