#145941 - 11/11/08 11:08 AM
Tuning Package..
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Fiesta Fan
Registered: 07/11/08
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Right then chaps..
I am thinking about getting some bits for the ST.. looking to try to get as close to 200bhp as possible on the 2 litre with standard internals..
Bits i am looking at...
cosworth 200bhp cam kit
cosworth inlet manifold
ggr CAI kit
milltek 4-1 manifold
milltek sport cat
milltek cat back exhaust
re-map
Now for the technical bits..
1. Do the injectors have a sufficent flow rate to support this power?
2. Will the standard clutch take the increase in torque or will it start slipping?
3. Is head work required to get to 200bhp? The standard head has pretty good flow properties.
Cheers,
Rich.
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#145942 - 11/11/08 12:31 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: evo6rss]
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Fiesta Nutter
Registered: 15/01/06
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I'd say:
1: Yes the injectors will cope
2: I think you may want to think about an uprated clutch.
3: The heads are fine on this engine, I think you'd spend alot of money for very little gain on the ports/valves.
Dump the Miltek bits for Piper though.
I'm not sure if the Cosworth inlet manifold actually does much for the money if you don't spend on a better throttle body set up (someone will advise)
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#145943 - 11/11/08 12:44 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: DAVE T ST]
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Registered: 17/03/08
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Hi Rich, I'm far from an expert on this but, as far as the clutch is concerned, I doubt if it will slip with the amount of torque you'll have. My Fabia VRS had 170bhp, standard clutch and a LOT of torque (don't forget, TDi) and it never showed any signs of slippage after 30k of driving. As for the GGR CAIS, it's very nice indeed  Look forward to hearing about your car in the future. 
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#145944 - 11/11/08 01:57 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: Pacman83]
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MountooningTipster
Registered: 26/08/07
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Loc: here
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well Mountune do Stage 1 165bhp (thats mine) and Stage 2 185bhp so reckon they know what they are doing (Ford approved) so 200bhp should be ok. The Likes of Pumabuild/Pumaspeed offer 190bhp kits too. Jamsport do supercharger kits that start around the 200bhp so probably the guys to speak to, they can offer you 300bhp+ bonkers !
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#145945 - 11/11/08 02:21 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: YellowBadge]
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Fiesta Fan
Registered: 07/11/08
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Steve, I here what you are saying about the mountune stuff and I have spoken to a dealership that is authorised to fit the 185 kit. However the price and duration that they wanted to keep the car for was just daft.. bearing mind i would have to go to Oxford as well.. £2600+ for the kit fitted and then 1 week to keep the car.. no thanks.. I don't want to supercharge, there will be too many gearbox issues. I think a nice bit of NA power will do the trick.. 
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#145947 - 11/11/08 02:48 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: evo6rss]
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Fiesta Nutter
Registered: 15/01/06
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Loc: Tipton nr. Dudley, W. Mids
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It's the exhaust/airbox that restricts the most.
I'd sort those first before a spend on a manifold that's all I'm saying as you may find you don't need it.
I totally agree about the price of the 185 kit fitted, silly money.
If it's torque you're after then you may want to consider the 4-2-1 manifold as this has more lower and mid range torque than the 4-1 and only a bit less than the 4-1 at 5,000 RPM+.
The clutch can't take much more than 250NM (well not when you're offereing a 3yr warranty) which is why the diesel is only the 90PS in the fiesta instead of the 110PS from the focus.
The Focus has dual mass flywheel
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#145949 - 11/11/08 03:41 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: DAVE T ST]
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Fiesta Fan
Registered: 07/11/08
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ok,
I will take a look at the 4-2-1.. i suspect the increase in torque is due to slightly more back pressure and different primary lengths..
Cheers,
rich.
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#145950 - 11/11/08 03:45 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: w3dal]
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Fiesta Fan
Registered: 07/11/08
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i guess the better results seen on the 2.3 and supercharger conversions are due to the the additonal volume of air required for the increased displacement. This is probably where the standard inlet becomes a bit marginal..
I think the cosworth inlet could work well with some gasflowing and this will inherently lead to changes in the volumetric efficency of the head. i,e it will need more air to support the flow.
hmm. need to do some thinking.. or maybe consider throttle bodies, but that just opens up a whole new can of worms..
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#145951 - 11/11/08 03:52 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: w3dal]
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Fiesta Fan
Registered: 07/11/08
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you will loose low down torque due to the cams.
i think milltek has been proven to give the best gains for a complete exhaust system, shame it sounds like a wet fart.
Dal
Could you please specifiy why you would loose torque. the cosworth cams are spec'd as 256 duration, 9.5mm lift. These are not particually agressive cams and don't run big overlap either..
The 240bhp cams are a 282 duration and i would expect to loose torque with those..
Also is the wet fart comment a personal thing. I am after a system that will offer the maximum gains and i want it to sound pretty much the same as standard.. wet fart sounds like a barrie boy car to me and defo not what i want...
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Cosworth Cams
GGR Induction
OMP Strut Brace
Bilstein B12 Suspension
Full Poly Bush Kit
AP Racing 4 Pot Brake Kit
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#145952 - 11/11/08 04:11 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: evo6rss]
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Fiesta Nutter
Registered: 11/10/04
Posts: 1123
Loc: Berkshire
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Quote:
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you will loose low down torque due to the cams.
i think milltek has been proven to give the best gains for a complete exhaust system, shame it sounds like a wet fart.
Dal
Could you please specifiy why you would loose torque. the cosworth cams are spec'd as 256 duration, 9.5mm lift. These are not particually agressive cams and don't run big overlap either..
The 240bhp cams are a 282 duration and i would expect to loose torque with those..
Also is the wet fart comment a personal thing. I am after a system that will offer the maximum gains and i want it to sound pretty much the same as standard.. wet fart sounds like a barrie boy car to me and defo not what i want...
No Dal is right. The Miltek does sound like a wet fart.
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#145953 - 11/11/08 04:25 PM
Re: Tuning Package..
[Re: stuart84]
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Fiesta Fan
Registered: 07/11/08
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So it sounds barrie boy then.. 
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