#369448 - 22/11/11 01:22 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: krAwl]
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my dad overfilled his vauxhaull once and there were big plumes of black smoke coming out the back
Not a diesel? 
I'm not an expert and hopefully some one will be along shortly, but if you overfill the engine oil won't it cause a higher pressure in the engine and potentially damage components? Guess it all depends by how much it's over filled by.
Another option if you don't have a tube unscrew the drain plug to let some oil out. May be interesting putting it back in though with oil coming out 
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#369449 - 22/11/11 01:39 PM
Re: Too much oil
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#369455 - 22/11/11 03:43 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Burn4]
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To much oil can be as bad as to little, if its only just over the max mark dont worry to much, but if its well over drain some out, I have seen some cars not start because the owner has overfilled the engine with oil and locked the hydraulic followers up, (solid on st) and also a renault diesel that would not turn off and rev high cos it was running on the engine oil after it was turned off.
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#369456 - 22/11/11 04:15 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Burn4]
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how hard is it to remove the inlet? might do that in a few weeks and clean it if there is any
ok cheers for the help guys, will drive it and see what it's like
straight forward if the engine isn't in the car but it wont be easy when it's in your have to take the slam panel out and the bumper to get to it all without cocking it up.
Honestly mate i wouldn't worry too much about it, if your talking millimetres.
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#369458 - 23/11/11 12:33 AM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Burn4]
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well it was pretty much the top of the disptick i.e. about 4mm above the max mark
drove a 60 mile round trip today and it was fine though
Where is the drain plug? also as Micky said won't it be impossible/ VERY messy trying to put the plug back in with the oil flowing out? 
Its gonna get messy
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#369459 - 23/11/11 02:06 AM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Jack_P]
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1:) Take the car for a drive until it reaches normal operating temperature 2:) Park the car on a flat surface and turn it off 3:) Wait 5 minutes for all the engine oil to drain back into the sump 4:) Then (and only then!) .. check the oil level You would be amazed at how many people do such a simple thing so wrong, ... they park on a slope, check the oil when the car is cold etc ..  If it's only a little bit over the maximum mark and the car is running fine then leave it alone If it's a lot over the maximum mark just release the sump plug a touch and let some oil drain out a bit at a time before reaching the correct level.
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#369461 - 23/11/11 05:25 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Check it when its cold 
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#369462 - 23/11/11 05:58 PM
Re: Too much oil
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http://www.fordfiestast.co.uk/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=347976&an=0&page=0#347976Burn - If it's only 4mm over the maximum mark, don't worry. Drive the car as normal and come next oil change, put it on the right mark. ANything over 1cm over the max then you would need to drain a little, but honestly, leavie it as is, it won't do any damage. P.s. When checking oil level (Not when your changing it), put car on a level surface and pull dipstick out. Clean, replace and THEN check level. Do NOT check when it is warm.
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#369464 - 23/11/11 06:30 PM
Re: Too much oil
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It can over pressurise the engine, which puts gaskets, pistons and seals under more load than usual.
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#369466 - 23/11/11 06:46 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Click the link above mate. It's on the rear of the engine, at the bottom. 13mm.
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#369468 - 23/11/11 07:09 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Burn4]
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5w30 oil is that thin that if you want an exact reading leave it tell cold, if you want a rough reading i.e. just checking how low it is. 10 minutes is fine
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#369469 - 23/11/11 07:40 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Duh! Lol.
Burn, keep forgetting your actual name, feel like an idiot reffering to you as Burn all the time lol.
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#369471 - 23/11/11 07:50 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Cheers Stevie. FOr some reason, my so called brain would not permit me to think logically and click his profile lol.
Such a duh at time lol.
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#369473 - 24/11/11 06:11 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Lol. Serves you right for having such a complicated name!!!!
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#369476 - 24/11/11 10:18 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Lol.
Good stuff, glad to hear it B..............Ben!
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#369477 - 25/11/11 08:52 AM
Re: Too much oil
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you must do it different in australia m8, over here its recommended to let the engine cool down first before checking the oil, or check it on a cold engine, as hot engine oil gives a false reading.
It's an age old debate just as old as the history of the motor car itself ... some say to only check the oil when it's cold .. and others say it must be at operating temperature.
Either way really isn't going to make that much difference, but the argument for checking whilst at operating temp is that the oil is at optimum condition while the car is in use and at operating temperature (ie: 99.9% of the time) and has thinned to it's correct state once it has reached this point.
How long is your car engine cold for? .. not very long at all, as such it is this if anything, that gives a false reading (although it's negligible either way) .. we are talking small amounts here.
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#369478 - 25/11/11 07:09 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Robjh - You are correct in what you say. It really doesn't matter, so long as the car is on a level surface and you allow it to settle, the reading will be pretty much the same.
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#369480 - 26/11/11 02:20 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Just changed the gearbox oil in my dads x350 Jag, oil at dealers was £29 a litre, gearbox holds 6 litres, had to check the oil at a temp of between 30 and 50 degrees, so i suppose it depends on what you want to do, I always check my engine oil when its cold maybe on a morning when it has drained back into the sump.
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#369482 - 26/11/11 03:21 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Burn4]
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Tom, roughly, in mm, how much over the maximum is your oil level?
If it's over 5mm, I would get some drained. If it's only up to 5mm, it will be fine and no damage will occur.
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#369483 - 26/11/11 03:23 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: STash]
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Tom, roughly, in mm, how much over the maximum is your oil level?
If it's over 5mm, I would get some drained. If it's only up to 5mm, it will be fine and no damage will occur.
I'll have a check, as I have no ramps I'd have to get it to a garage. Hopefully they wouldn't charge much to just drain a little oil?
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#369484 - 26/11/11 03:29 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: krAwl]
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It's a bit of an arse to drain as you need to drain a little, put the plug back in, check the level, drain abit more etc etc.
I'd say you'd be looking at about £15 or thereabouts.
Put two bricks in front of hte front tyres, drive on them and you'll get access to the plug easily. Undo the plug (13mm), undo it all the way BUT don't pull the plug from the hole, sort of hold a bit of pressure so that the oil dribbles out. Get a margerine container and drain into that.
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#369485 - 26/11/11 11:24 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: STash]
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It's a bit of an arse to drain as you need to drain a little, put the plug back in, check the level, drain abit more etc etc.
I'd say you'd be looking at about £15 or thereabouts.
Put two bricks in front of hte front tyres, drive on them and you'll get access to the plug easily. Undo the plug (13mm), undo it all the way BUT don't pull the plug from the hole, sort of hold a bit of pressure so that the oil dribbles out. Get a margerine container and drain into that.
CHeers I'll give this a go tomorrow
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#369486 - 27/11/11 10:20 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: STash]
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Put two bricks in front of hte front tyres, drive on them and you'll get access to the plug easily.
I always manage to change the oil without jacking the car up at all ... and Iv'e got Eibach's installed ..
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#369489 - 28/11/11 03:25 PM
Re: Too much oil
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have u just drained the gearbox????????????????????/
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#369490 - 28/11/11 03:28 PM
Re: Too much oil
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#369492 - 28/11/11 03:30 PM
Re: Too much oil
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i thought the engine drain plug is infront of the driveshaft?
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#369493 - 28/11/11 03:33 PM
Re: Too much oil
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from that pic, it looks to be the right one i think
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#369494 - 28/11/11 03:59 PM
Re: Too much oil
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looks to be right to me
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#369497 - 28/11/11 04:39 PM
Re: Too much oil
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have u just drained the gearbox????????????????????/
poor lad nearly had a heart attack then!
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#369500 - 28/11/11 08:18 PM
Re: Too much oil
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#369502 - 28/11/11 08:33 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Burn4]
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Christ Tom, you did have too much oil lol. I have PM'd you, sorry it took a while, been doing a little overtime.
I would drain about half of what you have in that bucket again, and you should be okay then.
For everyone's info, to drain the g/box, you require a multi spline.
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#369503 - 28/11/11 08:34 PM
Re: Too much oil
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For everyone's info, to drain the g/box, you require a multi spline.
a what?? 
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#369504 - 28/11/11 08:41 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Looks like Ben won't be draining his g/box anytime soon then lol. A torx bit (Or multi spline): Torx
Edited by STash (28/11/11 08:43 PM)
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#369506 - 28/11/11 08:48 PM
Re: Too much oil
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High five lol.
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#369507 - 28/11/11 08:51 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Christ Tom, you did have too much oil lol. I have PM'd you, sorry it took a while, been doing a little overtime.
I would drain about half of what you have in that bucket again, and you should be okay then.
For everyone's info, to drain the g/box, you require a multi spline.
Cheers Ash. You are my go to guy for mechanical things 
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#369508 - 28/11/11 08:53 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Lol, just glad to be off assitance. If you have any issues or whatever in the future, just give me a message and I'll answer you straight after work.
P.s. I would reccommend, if finances aren't to hard, maybe draining another litre and shoving a pot of slick 50 into the oil. Great stuff for performance cars, and really prolongs engine life.
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#369509 - 28/11/11 09:11 PM
Re: Too much oil
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i thought the only way to drop the gearbox oil was remove the box. or pull a shaft out (which you would need to do to drop the box)
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#369510 - 28/11/11 09:15 PM
Re: Too much oil
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i thought the only way to drop the gearbox oil was remove the box. or pull a shaft out (which you would need to do to drop the box)
I've torn a hole in a gear box from doing a wheel spin, high revs and flicked the clutch, made an almighty bang! Shitty french thing couldn't handle the excitement. Citroen AX I recall. I don't do this any more. It hurts the bank.
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#369511 - 28/11/11 09:17 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Lol, just glad to be off assitance. If you have any issues or whatever in the future, just give me a message and I'll answer you straight after work.
P.s. I would reccommend, if finances aren't to hard, maybe draining another litre and shoving a pot of slick 50 into the oil. Great stuff for performance cars, and really prolongs engine life.
Where can I purchase myself some of this for a good price? I'm going to need to prolong my engine life after what I've done for it. Would I know if I'd damaged the engine by now? As I've been drivi9ng it with all that extra oil since the very start of September :/
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#369512 - 28/11/11 09:20 PM
Re: Too much oil
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i thought the only way to drop the gearbox oil was remove the box. or pull a shaft out (which you would need to do to drop the box)
I've torn a hole in a gear box from doing a wheel spin, high revs and flicked the clutch, made an almighty bang! Shitty french thing couldn't handle the excitement. Citroen AX I recall. I don't do this any more. It hurts the bank.
HAHAHA actually burst out laughing! amazing 
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#369513 - 28/11/11 09:23 PM
Re: Too much oil
[Re: Burn4]
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I had a citroen Ax...For about a week. It didn't enjoy being on it's roof so that relationship was never going to work out.
Tom, if there was going to be damage, you'd know by now (The engine would rattle and bang). Go to a local motor factors, it should be around the £20 mark.
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#369514 - 28/11/11 09:31 PM
Re: Too much oil
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I had a citreon ax too and that ended up on it's roof too. Infact I had it on it's roof about 6 times, when I Was 16 on a friends farm where he had a spare field and we just trashed cars on em. We had a little banger circuit going on lol.
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#369515 - 28/11/11 09:32 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Haha.
Sadly for me, mine was in the middle of the road, holding up traffic lol.
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#369516 - 28/11/11 09:35 PM
Re: Too much oil
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The day his dad stopped letting us use the field was sad after a friend broke his arm  There was 3 fiestas, an ax, 3 micras and a 106. They all got sent Back to The scrapyard where we got them from in the first place
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#369517 - 28/11/11 09:35 PM
Re: Too much oil
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I had a citreon ax too and that ended up on it's roof too. Infact I had it on it's roof about 6 times, when I Was 16 on a friends farm where he had a spare field and we just trashed cars on em. We had a little banger circuit going on lol.
bet that was awesome!!! 
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#369521 - 28/11/11 10:09 PM
Re: Too much oil
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HELL YEH! I was wizzing through some old country lanes surrounded by wooding and next thing I knew a cow had launched free of the field it was imprisoned in and twated my car! I'd have swerved but there was oncoming traffic Glass went everywhere, my gf at the time got covered in glass and some minor injuries. 5 minutes later some kid hits the cow in road and flips his motor, it rolled about 3 times and I dragged him out, only a broken arm. At least his wasn't a moving target!
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#369523 - 28/11/11 10:17 PM
Re: Too much oil
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It wasn't a story, it's the TR..HOOF! My Corsa B SRi was a write off again so this time I just said flipping it, off you go to the scrap yard. The head unit I had in that is now in my Fez lol and I had the head unit in that Red AX as well. 8 yrs old. Farmers insurance payed up in the end. I think I ended up with a Renault 19 as the payout payed for the repairs of the previously roofed Corsa lol I've been so unlucky with cars FML!
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#369528 - 29/11/11 08:09 AM
Re: Too much oil
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Lol.
My first car was the AX, H reg also. Passed my test on Monday, got 3 points for speeding on the Wednesday, wrote the car off on Sunday. Bought an identical AX on the following Saturday, drove to Liverpool, mounted a curb and the strut tore away from the car, another write off.
So, bought a Pug 205, sold that, then a Pug 306, modded then got caught speeding (So that would be 6 points inside 2 years) but luckily for me, Pepipoo got me off that one and then I sold her. Got a Corsa 1.8 SRi, then a Focus TDCI, and now the ST. Nice clean license since the 3 points.
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#369530 - 29/11/11 12:28 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Lol.
My first car was the AX, H reg also. Passed my test on Monday, got 3 points for speeding on the Wednesday, wrote the car off on Sunday.
Sounds like a Craig David song
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#369531 - 29/11/11 12:52 PM
Re: Too much oil
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#369532 - 29/11/11 05:55 PM
Re: Too much oil
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Well spotted hehe.
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