I have no problem with any ST owners, and i mean that, but i can't help the feeling that some of you have a problem with me. I hope this isn't the case!

Anyway back to the discussion.. Tbh i think alot of this discussion comes down to the driving experience cars give.

Without being patronising, most "proper" drivers prefer cars that oversteer slightly if pushed over the limit. This is why the RenaultSport Clio and the Saxo VTS are legendary cars for handling. I hope the St goes the same way!