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#331920 - 11/07/11 08:00 PM Dangerously high engine temps?
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Got stuck in the smash at J27 on the M6 today, was stuck in horrible heat for about 30 minutes watching my engine temp rise to maximum triggering an engine warning light. Thankfully the people behind and three lanes across had left a massive gap, big enough for me to reverse a bit cross the lanes onto the hard shoulder and drive about 500 yards to Charnock Richard services. The engine temp went down but as soon as I started the car it shot back up triggering the warning again. After sitting for a further 20 minutes I decided to join the M6 again in the hope that gaining some momentum would help cool the engine, it did. After trawling a couple of miles at 10mph with the temp needle hovering just below maximum the traffic petered out and I managed to get up to 70 and bang the tempt dropped right back down to normal. I've never had this before and not sure if it's just down to it being a hot day and sitting in traffic not helping or if it's done serious damage and to get it checked? _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331921 - 11/07/11 08:02 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
kenny Registered: 08/03/08 Posts: 11807 Loc: essex	get it checked out mate something isnt right imo
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#331922 - 11/07/11 08:05 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: kenny]
Davest Registered: 06/05/11 Posts: 348 Loc: Birmingham	Lost any water in the header tank? my water pump went two weeks ago and the first thing I noticed was the temp was halfway and a little above almost within a few mins of starting the car then i checked the header tank and noticed it was almost empty and then obviously took it in.
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#331923 - 11/07/11 08:13 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Davest]
Adam08 Site Supporter Registered: 15/10/08 Posts: 15118 Loc: Harpenden, Hertfordshire	Is the fan working? Check the water coolant level _________________________ 407BHP and 340lbft TD GT28/32 hybrid turbo, 3inch decat, 2.75inch exhaust, air intake + large MAF, injectors, fuel pump, tubular manifold
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#331924 - 11/07/11 08:15 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Davest]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: Lost any water in the header tank? my water pump went two weeks ago and the first thing I noticed was the temp was halfway and a little above almost within a few mins of starting the car then i checked the header tank and noticed it was almost empty and then obviously took it in. Quote: Is the fan working? Check the water coolant level Had the water pump replaced in January by the garage I bought it from, hasn't lost any coolant either. Not sure what to make of it as it was fine the other 50 miles of the journey, cooled down fine when I got home and warmed up ok when driving to football :S Edited by Smith57 (11/07/11 08:16 PM) _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331925 - 11/07/11 08:27 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
Alex_H Registered: 01/03/09 Posts: 15061 Loc: SE London	Might just be because of the hot day. Slow moving traffivc so you couldn't shut off the engine? I normally do if its at a standsill _________________________
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#331926 - 11/07/11 08:36 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Alex_H]
Micky Site Supporter Registered: 01/03/05 Posts: 11552 Loc: Westbury-on-severn, Gloucester...	Does sound a bit odd. I'd take it too be looked at. If the fan didn't come on (you would know because it's flippin loud) could be a faulty thermostat or could be an issue with the new water pump. Andrew can tell you all about water pumps _________________________ My Flickr My Facebook
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#331927 - 11/07/11 08:36 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Alex_H]
ROB IS THE STIG The South East Massive Registered: 21/05/06 Posts: 50824 Loc: Kent	It wasn't that hot today surely.............. sounds odd mate coz once the temp rises to a particular point the fan should be on doing the cooling that driving would normally do. Get it looked at _________________________ > CLICK HERE FOR MY MOTORSPORT & TRACKDAY VIDEOS <
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#331928 - 11/07/11 08:38 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: ROB IS THE STIG]
Adam08 Site Supporter Registered: 15/10/08 Posts: 15118 Loc: Harpenden, Hertfordshire	25degrees today _________________________ 407BHP and 340lbft TD GT28/32 hybrid turbo, 3inch decat, 2.75inch exhaust, air intake + large MAF, injectors, fuel pump, tubular manifold
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#331929 - 11/07/11 08:40 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Adam08]
ROB IS THE STIG The South East Massive Registered: 21/05/06 Posts: 50824 Loc: Kent	Exactly, not quite the Sahara............. _________________________ > CLICK HERE FOR MY MOTORSPORT & TRACKDAY VIDEOS <
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#331930 - 11/07/11 10:12 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: ROB IS THE STIG]
STASON Registered: 05/01/11 Posts: 5720 Loc: UK, Essex	when did you have it last serviced?
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#331931 - 11/07/11 10:34 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: STASON]
Kev Registered: 01/03/06 Posts: 10490 Loc: Birmingham, UK.	My guess is that the fan isn't working because it cooled down when motoring giving air flow. Easy check, start the car up on the drive with the bonnet up and wait. Keep us informed. _________________________
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#331932 - 11/07/11 11:13 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Kev]
H47PER Registered: 23/11/09 Posts: 4599 Loc: sheffield	Also if your ever in doubt and need to cool the engine, put your windows down and put the heating on max temp and max blow (4). It may be Uncomfy but takes the edge of the engine temp and saves it from cooking itself. _________________________ Chuck Norris is never late, the world is just early!!
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#331933 - 12/07/11 07:41 AM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: H47PER]
Scotty Porsche 997 Turbo & ST150 Registered: 27/02/04 Posts: 18100 Loc: Nuneaton, Warwickshire	Ok... I had this problem about 4 weeks ago. The biggest cause of this issue is an air lock. Go for a drive, warm your car up and then feel the pipe from your coolant reservoir to your radiator. You might well find that it is cooler towards the radiator. Take the cap off your coolant reservoir and let the engine tick over. Squeeze the pipe and you might find air coming out from it. If it is an air lock, it might explode out your coolant reservoir like a volcano. This is perfectly normal. See if your fan comes on. If it doesn't, check the fuse for your fan (this is a common fix) If none of the above works: You will need to take a trip to the garage. _________________________
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#331934 - 12/07/11 03:58 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Scotty]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: Ok... I had this problem about 4 weeks ago. The biggest cause of this issue is an air lock. Go for a drive, warm your car up and then feel the pipe from your coolant reservoir to your radiator. You might well find that it is cooler towards the radiator. Take the cap off your coolant reservoir and let the engine tick over. Squeeze the pipe and you might find air coming out from it. If it is an air lock, it might explode out your coolant reservoir like a volcano. This is perfectly normal. See if your fan comes on. If it doesn't, check the fuse for your fan (this is a common fix) If none of the above works: You will need to take a trip to the garage. Cheers guys, I'll give this a try tonight Scotty as my local dealer closes half 5 and I'm not home till 6 at best most days. I'll go on Saturday if needs be. Hopefully won't be anything serious, if it is would anyone advise against getting this done at a non-Ford dealer? Just asking as my Auntie runs a garage so would probably only have to pay for parts if there was an issue! _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331935 - 12/07/11 04:00 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: H47PER]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: Also if your ever in doubt and need to cool the engine, put your windows down and put the heating on max temp and max blow (4). It may be Uncomfy but takes the edge of the engine temp and saves it from cooking itself. I was thinking about doing this but I wasn't 100% so I just went windows down and turned the engine off in traffic when I could, like I said I was just lucky people had left a massive gap. Got a fair few beeps and obscene gestures driving down the hard shoulder for a little aswell! _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331936 - 12/07/11 04:00 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
matt22 Registered: 25/10/09 Posts: 2296 Loc: cheshire	Don't burn your face off...
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#331937 - 12/07/11 04:00 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: matt22]
ROB IS THE STIG The South East Massive Registered: 21/05/06 Posts: 50824 Loc: Kent	be careful.......... _________________________ > CLICK HERE FOR MY MOTORSPORT & TRACKDAY VIDEOS <
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#331938 - 12/07/11 06:30 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: ROB IS THE STIG]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Just checked the pipe from the coolant to the radiator and seemed the same temp across? Not too sure about spurting hot water from the coolant tank so I'll get the car to the garage on the weekend for a once over. _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331939 - 24/07/11 07:38 AM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
WiggzST Site Supporter Registered: 05/09/10 Posts: 1049 Loc: South Wales	Keep us updated mate hope its ok _________________________
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#331940 - 25/07/11 02:17 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: WiggzST]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Had it checked over at Evans Halshaw today, apparently the engine fans weren't plugged in! No idea how that's happened. Other bad news includes rear disks are all but gone, front tyres are fubar (after less than 6000 miles which I find strange) and a rear wheel bearing is on it's way out. _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331941 - 25/07/11 02:20 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
Duncan_P Site Supporter Registered: 09/11/09 Posts: 8421 Loc: Wincanton, Somerset	Is that what you noticed or what Ford told you? I went in to get a new key and came out with over £1000 worth of work they said I'd need doing including £45 to clear condensation from my side indicator They also said my brakes + pads need changing and 15 months on they're still going strong... _________________________ Flickr
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#331942 - 25/07/11 02:21 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Duncan_P]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: Is that what you noticed or what Ford told you? I went in to get a new key and came out with over £1000 worth of work they said I'd need doing including £45 to clear condensation from my side indicator They also said my brakes + pads need changing and 15 months on they're still going strong... That's what Ford have said, bit narked that they said the inspection was free and then it was up to me whether I paid for the work to be carried out or not, now I've got a £45 charge that was never mentioned. I'll be changing the disks + pads myself and I can get some Toyo T1Rs at cost to go on the front so that's no problem. Just not sure about the wheel bearing! _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331943 - 25/07/11 02:29 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
kenny Registered: 08/03/08 Posts: 11807 Loc: essex	thats why i never go to fords any more even with my new cars id just go to a ford approved garage
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#331944 - 25/07/11 02:32 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: kenny]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: thats why i never go to fords any more even with my new cars id just go to a ford approved garage True, I try and avoid them, normally goes to my aunties garage but she couldn't get it in for a while and I thought with the engine temps going sky high it needed checking ASAP. Today was the earliest I could get it in Fords. _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331945 - 25/07/11 02:35 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
kenny Registered: 08/03/08 Posts: 11807 Loc: essex	Quote: Quote: thats why i never go to fords any more even with my new cars id just go to a ford approved garage True, I try and avoid them, normally goes to my aunties garage but she couldn't get it in for a while and I thought with the engine temps going sky high it needed checking ASAP. Today was the earliest I could get it in Fords. i would of done the same mate if i couldnt off got it in the one i go to
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#331946 - 25/07/11 02:39 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
Micky Site Supporter Registered: 01/03/05 Posts: 11552 Loc: Westbury-on-severn, Gloucester...	At least you got the fans sorted. Was a strange one them not being pluged in. No idea why they would have to be un-pluged in the first place Sounds like fraud are just trying to take you for a ride. Have you checked the tyres yourself? 6k miles isn't very long unless you have been thrashing it everywhere. Saying that I have killed a set in less than 6k before _________________________ My Flickr My Facebook
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#331947 - 25/07/11 02:45 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Micky]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: At least you got the fans sorted. Was a strange one them not being pluged in. No idea why they would have to be un-pluged in the first place Sounds like fraud are just trying to take you for a ride. Have you checked the tyres yourself? 6k miles isn't very long unless you have been thrashing it everywhere. Saying that I have killed a set in less than 6k before He pretty much told me I unplugged it and forced it back in the wrong place when I fitted my induction kit. It's not the first time I've fitted one and most certainly didn't unplug anything that wasn't to do with the air system. I do like a spirited drive now and them and they're Pirelli P Zeros which I've heard have quite a short life span. Just annoyed me they carried out the work without asking when I was told that it was a no obligation check and then I'd be able to decide if I wanted them to do the work. Just spoke to the guy now who seemed quite jittery about it and eventually decided that if I was told I wouldn't be charged then I won't be charged. £45 to plug in a cable is extortionate considering the "health" check was free. I get a 40% discount at a local garage so I'll pick up some pads and do it myself. EBC are the standard ones aren't they? _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331948 - 25/07/11 03:29 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
Micky Site Supporter Registered: 01/03/05 Posts: 11552 Loc: Westbury-on-severn, Gloucester...	They should never do work without contacting you first. P zeros aren't that bad for wear. Just rubbish grip. ebc ones are aftermarket discs and pads. The fins codes for the standard are rear disc 1514237 rear pad 1425407 _________________________ My Flickr My Facebook
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#331949 - 25/07/11 04:02 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Micky]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: They should never do work without contacting you first. P zeros aren't that bad for wear. Just rubbish grip. ebc ones are aftermarket discs and pads. The fins codes for the standard are rear disc 1514237 rear pad 1425407 That's the impression I was under, didn't have to pay for any of it. They changed their story from I'd unplugged the fans, the fans were plugged in wrong and when my dad picked it up they told him the wires had corroded and the fan had to have new wires put in. This'll be the last time my car goes there! Cheers for that mate, they show up as Focus but I'm assuming they're the same? I reckon I can get the EBC ones for about £20 a pair so might just be worth getting them? It's the bearing I'm worried about! Ford want £180 just for the bearing never mind labour. _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331950 - 25/07/11 05:18 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Smith57]
Dan_The_Man Site Supporter Registered: 20/10/08 Posts: 7389 Loc: Eaton Bray, Dunstable	dont let ford do a bearing! they are £40 max for parts, if you jack the car up and try to wobble the wheel and its loose then yes its going if your wheel is solid and doesnt rock its totally fine. and my mates st did 15K on pirellis from new! they never wear out! i cant believe they would go so quick they are solid rubber _________________________ Red Escort 1.6LX Then - Red Escort 1.4 Then - Silver Fiesta ST 170BHP Then - White Fiesta ST MR200+ Now - Mitsubishi Evo IV Forged 2.3 500BHP and Mondeo Mk3 2.0TDCI
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#331951 - 25/07/11 06:08 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Dan_The_Man]
JJST Registered: 20/04/07 Posts: 4206	sorry to hear about your experience with Fraud, out of order totally. Quote: and my mates st did 15K on pirellis from new! they never wear out! i cant believe they would go so quick they are solid rubber With regard to tyres, they lasted far too long with me, best thing you will ever do is ditch those p zeros, awful tyres! _________________________
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#331952 - 25/07/11 06:53 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: JJST]
Micky Site Supporter Registered: 01/03/05 Posts: 11552 Loc: Westbury-on-severn, Gloucester...	Yep think they are the same as the focus ones. (Ford being cheap ) Can't comment on ebc ones as i've never used them. _________________________ My Flickr My Facebook
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#331953 - 25/07/11 08:04 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Dan_The_Man]
Smith57 Registered: 01/03/11 Posts: 301	Quote: dont let ford do a bearing! they are £40 max for parts, if you jack the car up and try to wobble the wheel and its loose then yes its going if your wheel is solid and doesnt rock its totally fine. and my mates st did 15K on pirellis from new! they never wear out! i cant believe they would go so quick they are solid rubber £180 exc VAT for the bearing they want! That doesn't even include labour. Anyone got a part number I need for the bearing? I'm handy with a spanner so I'm going to sort that and the pads myself! _________________________ Nathan Smith \| Web Developer
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#331954 - 25/07/11 08:40 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: WiggzST]
nosnow3 Registered: 11/06/09 Posts: 1930	Local garage charged me 25 for a rear bearing when they was inspecting the rear brake shoes (apparently) dont know on labour but i would rather let a garage do a bearing then me as you need a press...
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#331955 - 26/07/11 09:07 AM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: nosnow3]
Alex_H Registered: 01/03/09 Posts: 15061 Loc: SE London	Damn Fords! With regard to breaks, I got EBC OEM standard breaks on my old and they where much cheaper than the ford ones, seemed ok but where only on my car about 7 months then my car was written off so cant comment on how long they last _________________________
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#331956 - 26/07/11 06:14 PM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: Alex_H]
nosnow3 Registered: 11/06/09 Posts: 1930	Quote: Damn Fords! With regard to breaks, I got EBC OEM standard breaks on my old and they where much cheaper than the ford ones, seemed ok but where only on my car about 7 months then my car was written off so cant comment on how long they last Brakes i heard after getting wet the EBC discs tend to rust up really quickly, compared to OEM, im sure this must have an impact on disc health and the state of your brake pads
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#331957 - 27/07/11 10:08 AM Re: Dangerously high engine temps? [Re: nosnow3]
Alex_H Registered: 01/03/09 Posts: 15061 Loc: SE London	Spell checker put it thru ok _________________________
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